powell talks about the trip to heyman island, which of course we all know about. he continues, "tony put great efforts into maintaining the relationship right throughout his time in government and thereafter." >> yeah. >> and the issue of any tradeoffs, mr. campbell, this is paragraph 49 of your witness statement. page 00823. >> mm-hmm. >> can i deal with it bluntly in this way? are you able to assist the inquiry from your own knowledge of any evidence which would suggest that an express deal was made between mr. murdoch, mr. blair, or mr. blair's government? >> i don't think there ever was such a deal. >> could we be clear, mr. campbell, on what that answer's based? i'm not asking you to comment. i'm just skug from your own knowledge if you knew of such a deal you would tell us because i've asked you to tell us. do you have any evidence of such a deal? >> no. absolutely not. >> in terms of the possibility of implied trade-offs or unspoken supplications, paragraph 49, you refer there to -- i think we probably asked you to look at the big bad bastard comment, which