>> or hgtv, the home and garden channel. >> why? the cable carriers are finally saying enough. when these channels say we want more money, the cable carriers are saying, uh-uh. >> they don't want you to pay more than 8 cents, 10 cents, 12 cents per home. fox and time warner were able to reach a deal. >> yes. but that's fox. if you are cable carrier and you're not bringing the viewers "american idol," there will be heck to pay. it could get very ugly. >> there were football games involved. >> there were football games and sports. what's happening is we're finally seeing the networks fight back, where the carriers caved in to fox. they're finally drawing the line here with hgtv and food. as you say, by the way, hgtv is 14 cents a month. food is 8 krenlts pcents per mo. msnbc is 15 cents per month. vh1 is 14 cents. comedy central 14 cents. >> where are you going to get so much quality for 15 cents? >> this is the best bargain, msnbc. >> i think so. >> espn is $3.25 a month. >> seriously. if you're not a sports fan, forget it. you can't

if you're a fan of food network and hgtv and you're signing up for cable, you now have to look to see are provided by which service. it used to be all of the channels were provided by all of the services. that's no longer going to be the case if this trend continues. >> what about the people who say, i have 200 channels and yet nothing to watch? >> i know, i know. and they're right, aren't they, on some cases. >> some days it feels like that. >> there's always msnbc. >> hence, here we are. >> and a bargain to boot. >> may i say. thank you, tom. >>> in a moment, we'll get back to our top story. for the first time president obama blaming a branch of al qaeda for that failed terror attack. >>> and a live picture of times square in new york city. looks pretty good now. parts of the northeast can get hit with heavy snow. we'll get the weather channel forecast in minutes on this bargain of all bargains, msnbc. e than talk about it. let's turn picturing it into planning it, thinking it over into making it happen. let's say out with the old and in with the new. let's create some wall-to-wall