tell me about hiatt, so why have you and hiatt been such a good pairing because it is been a long time that you guys have been out on the road together, right? - in 1989, bill ivey from the country music foundation, bill ivey went on the run the national endowment for the arts, wonderful fellow. he put together a songwriter in the round group, which is a typical format in nashville, among, you know, places like the bluebird cafe. it's a format that kinda came about, well it's just an extension of people coming over to the house and sitting around trading songs. - and it's an old saw of sorts in the touring music business that they'll be like a package tour, and they get a bunch of people together, and they might play individually, but then they all play kind of in a group. - in nashville, there's so many wonderful songwriters that really don't perform, don't play out, but they'll get together a few times a year and do a circle at a place like the bluebird. bill ivey put a show like that together in that spirit for the old marlboro country music festival in new york, and it was guy clar