in the 1890's, you have a situation where the hibernia bank, which was one of the biggest banks, if not the biggest bank in the west at that time, moves it's headquarters to jones, mcallister and market. that presence never... that direction never happened. and so all those dreams of market st. becoming the champs d'elysee of san francisco all died. in the tearing down of the fox, a developer wanted to tear down this building that no longer had, no longer had much economic justification- big movie palaces were a thing of the past. but in areas where they were kept, you actually created economic value there. and in it's place is this totally banal structure that's there today- the fox plaza. so that was a huge mistake and many of these things have been huge mistakes. they've torn down part of the important physical fabric of the city and replaced it with something terrible. carolyn: how to get improvement... sometimes has different ideas. there's been a lot of negotiation and a lot of speaking together and now everyone agrees what needs to happen in this area. chris: trinity plaza, in th