with him, i think i provide a uniqu perspective that just don't get in the media speaking of hope hickso be amongst those that think john kelly will be out as chief of staff, thetese yi that is fake news, hicks could be coming back as chief of staff am >> so let's back up. i think that john kelly is going to quite fired. i don' ot thrink t bhat the pret eye-to-eye anymore.kelly see i think that they have aot of a. i never thought that john kelly would be a good chi of staff from the point of view t he has zero political i was cue men. donald trump had to adapt to tht presidenhere were a lot of issues when he first went into the white house, some of his own making and some because of others who w e still in the white house. and for what heants and how he the flow he's in, the nhes i've heard suc as nick airs who'sul undertiple investigations and would b terbleri ceany othe lvanr w probably would be very good. i don't know how long he would last >> why hopeicks >> let's get hope thicks. there's somewhat of a grassee roots, grass rt'soonk h ae's i perfect for thejob.edalum at trump tower o

don't you think hope hicks would be worried about this?i think she might be worried about it, but i also -- look, it wouldn't be shocking if hope hicks came back. i think there's always an effort by president trump to surround himself with people that he's comfortable. you hear various rumors about people that might come back into the fold. there was a longtime rumor that corey lewandowski was going to come back into the white house. >> jonathan allen and melanie a zanona, thanks for being here. >>> at the top of the hour, it's "politics nation." "your business" is up next. hello. the new united explorer card hooks me up. getting more for getting away. rewarded! going new places and tasting new flavors. rewarded! traveling lighter. rewarded! (haha) getting settled. rewarded! learn more at theexplorercard.com and get... rewarded! and get... (vo) imagine a visibly healthin 28 days. purina one. natural ingredients, plus vitamins and minerals in powerful combinations. for radiant coats, sparkling eyes, and vibrant energy. purina one. 28 days.

. >> take look at agnes hicks' obituary, for viewing and funeral held here in this church tuday nday.undreds of people showe up pay respects. allnded abruptly when somne knocked over the church's sacred cup also known as chalice. >> a cell-phone records a chaotic scene from tw church as argument from the pastor and family layingo loved one t rest escalates. wild the body of 54 year-old agnes hicksn lays casket right nearby. short time later, the family seen carrying out casket to leaveith shocked attendees and police cars in the parkinglot. >> this was uncalled for, your honor called for at that urch. and it really hurt me. really do. to see you loved one come there to rest and be shutdown like this. >> hicks' family is still traumati wd overt happened. they said agnes hicks baptized a young girl saint marry's catholic church in charlotte hall, always wanted her viewing. things got ugly wit pastor michael breezy. >> family said w someonet in or a hug and accidentally e>> altar.acred chalice fromth ll hell broke loose. he got on t mic,o funeral, no mass, no ,re everyone get the hell ou

hicks? >> no, ma'am. >> ms. oliver? >> no, ma'am. >> and mr. hatch? >> no. >> well, nobody, really, and i have no reason to doubt it either. and this president and administration and congress need to take this threat seriously. and i would say this committee needs to take this threat seriously. no fight was harder, no more blood and suffering was shed in this country than the fight for liberty, independence and the right to vote. and i would like to give to the great state of new mexico the last word, ms. oliver, i have just a few seconds left, your statement on this. how does your state feel about it? how do you feel about it? >> i'm deeply concerned, mr. chair member maloney. that is why we are taking this so seriously and working so closely with our federal partners. >> i thank you and i yield back. >> the gentlewoman yields back. and now the gentleman is recognized. >> i'm concerned how many discuss how there's no hearings on this. but mr. herd, we had a hearing of the 2016 election. a n

we have no knowledge of any of this, hope hicks said. now it's possible the president lied to hope hicks and to everyone else in the white house. and when she said "we," she just meant we, the poor creatures who have no idea what's going on because the president lies to us as mump ch as he lies to you. but the she probably meant probably included the hound dog and that was just a lie. on the tape, candidate trump and michael cohen appeared to have been talking precisely about that, talking most likely about their friend david pecker, david pecker, the head of ami. listen. >> i need to open up a company for the transfer of all of that info regarding our friend david so that i'm going to do that right away. have i spoken to allen weiselberg about how to set the whole thing up funding. >> so what are we -- >> yes. and it's all the stuff -- all the stuff. because you never know wra that company. >> maybe -- >> correct. so i'm all over that. and i spoke to allen about it. when it comes time pour the financing -- >> what financing? >> we'll ha

hicks clearly indicated she won't be returning to trump's west wing for years, if ever.ack caitlin and jonathan. jonathan, your reaction to that? >> suggests good judgment on her part. when we last saw hope hicks, she was testifying before the house committee, looking into the russia meddling and collusion allegations. i don't think she is comfortable with being part of that inquiry. she was, according to people familiar with that testimony an forthcoming than others. there was that and the scandal of porter, that she was associated with. he was accused of domestic violence against past wives. the scandal around the trump administration was touching her. that said, you can see why president trump would want her around. >> real quick, sources say trump has not called hicks to talk about a possible chief of staff. >> so, you know, i think it's been widely reported that the top two picks right now are nick ayers, who is on pence's team, vice president pences team and nick mulvaney. >> caitlin, sorry, we have to wrap. we are running out of time. i got your two picks, thank y

it is something that hope hicks denied days before the election. here is part of the tape, the part getting the most attention. >> i need to open up a company for the transfer of all of that info regarding our friend, david, so that i'm going to do that right away. >> i have spoken to allen about how to set the whole thing up with funding the -- >> yes. >> and it is all of the stuff, all of the stuff, you never know where that company, you never know -- >> he could be hit by a truck. >> so i'm all over that, i spoke to allen about that when it comes time for the financing. >> what financing. >> i have to pay -- >> cash? >> no no, i got it. okay, we will explain all of the different nuancing you're hearing there. meanwhile cohen's lawyer says it is clear that president trump says pay with cash in that recording, however the trump organization disputes that in a statement, here is the statement, i will read it in full but some of it is hard to understand. listen closely. here it is. whoever is telling lenny davis in cash in that conversation refers t

i'd suggest person h, person h.h., hope hicks. if you were looking for anyboi' h.h., hope hicks.were looking for anybody to be in any room donald trump was in when you were talking about meetings that might be happening in that building in june 2016, she has already talked to robert mueller. >> do you know if hope hicks is one of the people michael cohen can put in that room? >> i do not know. i do know how closely michael cohen and hope hicks and everyone in that small mom and pop shop office that is trump tower. >> you just dropped a story, i want to get to it. this is a really important point. people around the president, and this is why we started the show by saying what we heard with our own ears is important. donald trump wasn't walled off from the gross aspects of covering up his sexual relationships or being involved in getting dirt. that was where he thrived. he wasn't some titan of business. he ran a very small mom and pop operation and michael cohen was his right hand man. >> people often think of the trump organization because president trump is a very good brander as

hicks. mr. hicks, you have to recognize that this concerted effort to suppress the vote is real, has been documented and it's a concerted effort of russia. where do you on the commission stand with that or do you address it? >> that's something for the department of justice to address, but personally, i've always worked towards ensuring that voter confidence remains high when i worked in the house, when i worked in massachusetts and so forth. so ensuring that people have their right to vote and that they can do so without encumbrance. right now while this committee is having its hearing, the eac is holding a language summit for folks who have access issues to the polls based on language over at the museum. that's being webcast and there is about 150 people right there learning more about access. >> i yield back. >> the gentlelady yield back. the gentleman from texas is recognized. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i also thank the gentlewoman and gentleman from north carolina for their courtesy. my op

hope hicks, a trump campaign spokeswoman, said of the agreement with ms.ougal, we have no knowledge of any of this. she said that ms. mcdougall's claim of an affair with mr. trump was totally untrue. we now have president trump on tape talking about such a deal. joining us, simone sanders, also campaign manager for hillary clinton, robert moore. i have you guys here to talk about the future of campaigns, but i want to wrap up the past. hope hicks denied that they had any knowledge of an agreement with karen mcdougal. had the campaign admitted they knew about this, would that have had an impact on the election? >> i'm sure it would have had an impact if we had this tape. how much i can't say. but i will say we knew the president lied. we knew that before election daigh. we knew that the russians had some sort of bizarre influence over him. but coming out of election day, there have been so many things. meetings with the russians, other lies that he's told that we've learned, and i think the most important lesson coming out of this tape and everything else i

hope hicks says there was no knowledge of any of this. in fact she said we have no knowledge of any of this, and the campaign and the then president, and you hear his voice on the tape talking about it, seems to be a lie. and it was a lie told just before the election. the reporting also raises questions about whether or not the president was trying to cover his tracks with cash payments. what is clear is that it is definitively not -- i should say not definitively exculpatory. it is spinning our knowledge of what he was trying to do. and donald trump laying the release. and the mere fact of this release tells us there is no turning back for michael cohen, this indicates a full flip. it looks like a bill clinton of works, a trough, or a truckload. >> that's right, that conversation with donald trump that michael cohen secretly recorded is no longer a secret. thanks to this audio that cnn exclusively obtained last night, we can listen to the exchange. you will hear them talk about a couple of things, but watch out for this at the end. you

whether hope hicks who made that statement was aware of that, i don't know. it's very possible that dronald trump didn't tell her the truth. it raises questions about the president's credibility at a time when his folks are trying to undermine michael cohen. >> what's amazing about giuliani's -- both of giuliani's explanations. the first one is this would have been -- they were discussing an additional payment to karen mcdougal. ami was claiming we weren't paying for her silence, we were paying her for the rights to her story, which we then didn't really believe, so we didn't publish it but we also wanted her to a columnist. if they were discussing just giving another payment to karen mcdougal, that is certainly pretty stunning. i understand why he would call back then and say actually, no, that's not what that was, even though that's what i just said it was. it was actually they were buying the rights to the story. >> that doesn't make much more sense. >> it doesn't make any sense. >> donald trump is not a publisher. >> right, "trump" magazine i think lasted

hope hicks didn't tell the truth. they come and go. it just seems normal now. >> yeah.ard to know whether it will have any impact more than any of the other stories. there was a time line when the notion that there would be a story out about the president of the united states having paid off a former playboy playmate. it would himself be a huge thing. that is sort of baked in the cake now. i do think what he said was kind of the crux of the issue which is that it is potentially damaging. people at the white house to have a former fixer, somebody who was so intertwined with all of trump's business dealings before he was president in a situation where he feels like he is in a defensive crouch and he has a lot of potentially damaging information that he can leak out and trickle out however he wants. it is a precarious position in for the president to be in. >> michael cohen had kind of an odd role within the trump organization. he described himself as mr. fix it. he references another attorney for the trump organization in that tape and basically says that he was consulted

okay. >> now, of course it is possible that hope hicks herself was being lied to. we know four days before the election, the chief person was lying to voters that cohen's trump tape shows that candidate trump was made aware and two months before hope hicks said they knew nothing at it and we should have known given team trump telling the truth including the hush payments of stormy daniels which cohen arranged and confronted the money back in january. now here is the press secretary back in march. >> the president has addressed these directly and made very well clear that none of these allegations are true. this case has already been won and arbitration and anything beyond that, i would refer you to the president's outside counsel. >> here is what the president said about a month later. >> did you know about the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels? >> no. >> why did michael cohen made it? >> well, you have to ask michael cohen. cohen is my attorney and you have to ask him. >> do you know where he got the money? >> i don't know. >> well, a few weeks later, rudy giulia

. >> reporter: hope hicks was clear. just days before the 2016 election, the trump campaign spokeswoman emphatically denied her boss had an affair with playboy model karen mcdougall a decade before. hicks called the allegation "totally untrue." mcguy dal had sold her story for $150,000 to the publisher of "the national enquirer." they apparently bought it in order to bury it, a practice known as catch and kill. hicks claimed, "we have no knowledge of any of this." but in a conversation secretly recorded two months earlier, a very different story emerges. >> what's up, mike? >> reporter: trump and his former attorney and fixer michael cohen apparently discussing a plan to buy the rights to her story themselves from "the enquirer's" publisher, american media incorporated, which is owned by trump's close friend, david pecker. cohen proposes using a shell company to do the deal. >> i need to open up a company for the transfer of all of that info regarding our friend david, you know, so that -- >> yeah. >> i'm going to do tha

hicks, this is complicated stuff, decentralized system, all kinds of voting systems and machines and all of that. is it safe to say, though, that the simplest rule should be there should always be a paper backup? >> senator, thank you for that question. it depends on the state. we cannot basically regulate to -- >> i'm not suggesting regulation, i'm suggesting suggestion -- i mean, it seems to me this is a basic thing, we are not saying that they have to do it, but if you don't have a paper backup it's very hard to determine whether you've got an accurate count. >> paper is interesting because everyone can't use paper. so if you have a disability, you come back from iraq with no hands, it's hard to do that paper piece of it. so i would say that if we can do security with paper, to make sure that it's accessible to those who have disabilities, then i would say that that's 100% right that we should have a paper backup. >> i want to direct a question to mr. romine and mr. masterson. i serve on the intelligence committee and we spend a lot of time with cyber security issues in the intell

hick man writes a lifestyle column in an independent newspaper and recently called july straight pridemerican month. and suggested gay people have what he calls an inferior complex. >> hick man has been receiving national attention for his column but he says it has nothing to do with his elected office. >> you do have a right to freedom of speech. you do. but when you tear someone else down to get your voice heard, than you're doing everything wrong sir. >> i didn't give up my first amendment right when i became an elected official. >> hick man has not backed off from reviews but he expressed regret for mentioning public office in the column. critics say if he's not out before then he will be voted out on election day. >>> time is now 513 tum tim let's see what's happening on the roads. sal is right there. how does it look? >> good so far. not a lot going on which is the way we like it on this wednesday morning. traffic in gilroy, we're starting there and take a look at that commute from gilroy to san jose, a decent drive with not too much slow traffic i can see here on 101 heading up

hicks, this is complicated stuff. decentralized system, different -- all kinds of voting systems and machines and all of that. is it safe to say, though, that the simplest rule should there should always be a paper backup? >> senator, thank you for that question. it depends on the state. we can't basically regulate -- >> i'm not suggesting regulate. i'm suggesting -- it seems to me this is a basic thing. we're not saying they have to do it. but if you don't have a paper backup, it's hard to determine whether you have an accurate count. paper is interesting because not everyone can use paper. you have a disability, you come back from iraq with no hands, it's hard to use that paper. so, i would say if we can do security with paper, to make sure it's accessible to those that have disabilities, then i would say that's 100% right, we should have a paper backup. >> i work on the cyber community. one of the most powerful tools we have is a red stamp and bug bounties. it seems to me -- one of my concerns is that the states ar

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at the time during the campaign when hope hicks, trump's campaign spokeswoman was asked about him. she said they had no flknowledg about it. we know that trump did know about the fact that karen mcdougle was paid because he and michael cohen were discussing buying those rights. the tape is a bit muddy so it is hard to make out exactly everything they are talking about. there is this dispute over whether trump was saying let us pay for cash or saying don't pay for cash, pay for a check. listen to what rudy giuliani, his attorney, said last night about this dispute and this discussion. >> what i urge people to do is just don't ongyline, listen to e tape. filet three time play it three times. i've got about 4,000 hours of mafia people on tape. i know how to listen to them. this tape is crystal clear when you listen to it. i've dealt with much worse tapes than this. >> the giuliani and trump team have been trying to get ahead of this story spinning this is completely exculpatory. that's something that i think the prosecutors investigating michael cohen will ultimately decide. but to yo

. >> that understatement from the mayor as dickson received national attention for hick man's comment. >> council members are under pressure to act. >> you may not be able to remove him from office but you can strip him from his role as vice mayor of the city. >> he said his views have nothing to do with his elected office but he did mention being vice mayor in the column and for more the issue goes beyond him and his views to what sort of community dickson be for sen inclusiveness. >> you selfishly chose to represent yourself. your role is not about you but the welfare of dickson. >> hick man did not back off his views expressing regret only that he mentioned his public office. >> we have not used the words of vice mayor because i see where that may be unacceptable to some. that's all i have to say. >> public comments stretched well into the night and every council member disavowed his views. hickman is up for re-election in november. in dickson, ktvu fox 2 news. >>> 4:17 is the time. let's go back to sal. good morning. >> good morning, pam and dave. right now we're off to a nice sta

is them the key figures, does that include hope hicks and other staff?well, so hope hicks, for example, when she was pressed she would refuse to answer questions and republicans wouldn't subpoena them. donald trump jr. when he was asked about conversations with his father about the june 9th trump tower meeting he refused to answer. and the republicans did not want to subpoena him to compel him. they didn't want to know. it was a take them at their word investigation which i think we are now seeing was so irresponsible because we're learning more every day. i'm an optimist. i still believe in the goodness of people and it's never too late to do the right thing. if people at home tell their representatives this is wrong we should know what happened and there's still an opportunity to come back to congress and to reopen this investigation, we can still do that and i think people should tell their representatives on the intel committee they expect that. >> why do you think the trump tower meeting has proved so problematic for the trump team to get their stor

one thing the tape does appear to suggest, that the president or at least his spokesperson, hope hicks, was wrong in november, lied, that's another way to put it, when she said there was no relationship between the two. as far as having any knowledge of this, cohen's attorney, lanny davis, told abc's "good morning america" there's a much bigger picture here as well. >> it's about lies and truth. giuliani can't make up the words don't pay. i say to everybody who voted for donald trump, don't believe me, i'm a democrat. listen to the tape. the words don't pay are not heard. the word cash. so it's not about cash versus not cash. it's about truth, and the power of the truth is what michael cohen now has no matter what giuliani invents or mayor giuliani invents for a president who's been known to lie. don't believe me, listen to the tape. >> that's very important. to all americans out there who deserve a president who's telling the truth, everybody goes out there and votes because they want to live in a country led by people who represent our values. listen to the tape. and if you thought t

remember that karen hicks, the campaign spokesman. >> hope hicks. >> hope hicks, excuse me. denied that he knew anything about the mcdougal matter in november before the election. a lie. and here mr. trump is not surprised when mr. cohen mentions there needs to be financing, and he immediately say, "cash." he doesn't say what the transcript that you're telling me says. he says "cash," and my client has been discharged over and over again by mr. giuliani with misinformation and misstatements. for example, what we have heard over and over again is that mr. cohen is living lavishly, and no mention is made that there was a tremendous flood in his apartment. he's living in a hotel with insurance paying for his hotel room. 14 times on the dossier, his name is mentioned and publicly posted where absolute rebuttals, false that he was ever in prague. there's been a campaign out of the white house to discharge mr. cohen. and why is that? chris, because he's got truth on his side now, and he intends to tell the truth. >> all right. fine. all of that be that as it may, that is extraneou

they weren't referring to outside counsel back when hope hicks was lying or maybe she was being liedand given a lie to the american people. >>> more on mr. shine in just a moment, but first more on what could be motivating michael cohen. joining us now who shares a byline on the piece titled i'm not going to be a punching bag anymore. it's a fascinating article. what are you learning about what drove for michael cohen to release this recording? >> michael cohen is famous sly loyal to the point where he said he'd take a bullet for donald trump has become increasingly disenchanted and has felt abandoned by the president, the man who he served so loyally over the years. there were a couple of things people apparently close to him tell us put him over the edge. one were giuliani's statements describing michael cohen's role and what happened in some of these discussions involving stormy daniels and others. and then secondly there was a report that the trump organization balked at some point of paying some of cohen's legal bills after his offices and residences were searched by the fbi. an

he liked having hope hicks close by. michael cohen did not get a white house job.hael cohen's feelings. he didn't get into the administration, but they did talk a fair amount. is there somebody new who's replaced him, or is the president relying on a smaller circle? >> there isn't anybody like that. i think that's why you see the president using his phone more but also inviting people into the white house, corey lewandowski, his former campaign manager, inviting those people in, inviting them on trips with him. i think he's lonely. he likes the company. so the president's doing more outreach since he doesn't have those people internally. >> and we'll see what he says this weekend. he's going to bedminster. apparently there's rain in the forecast. maybe he doesn't go out and play golf. he's going to be calling a lot of these people, be on twitter. we'll see how he reacts to all this news. >> we'll keep an eye on that. thanks for joining us on "inside politics" today. jim sciutto in for wolf blitzer today. he picks up our coverage right now. have a great weekend. >>>

american bought the rights in august and just days before americans voted, campaign spokesperson, hope hicks, said, we have no knowledge of any of this. maybe she didn't and was lied to as well. nevertheless it's hard to think allen would and he's been at the organization since his father was there and he would know if his old boss was lying or concealing something when he said this in january 2017. >> i tweeted out i have no dealings with russia. i have no deals in russia. i have no deals that could happen in russia. because we stayed away. i have no loans with russia. as a real estate developer i have very little debt. people found out how big the company is. little debt. i have no loans with russia at all. that was important to put out. i certify that. i have no deals, no loans and no dealings. >> as chief financial officer of the trump organization allen would know if that's true and had plenty to say about this press conference which seems like so long ago. >> what i am going to be doing my two sons here, don and eric, are going to be running the company, they are going to be running it

his spokeswoman hope hicks told the "wall street journal," "we have no knowledge of any of this," she said of miss mcdougle's claim of an affair with mr. trump was totally untrue. >>> m.j., help us break down what this clatape says and doest say. >> the audio quality is not great. we are already seeing a significant dispute on one of the parts of the tape that we heard at the very end. if you listen carefully, you heard donald trump saying the words -- pay with cash. then michael cohen responding, no, no, no. . now the two sides, donald trump's camp, and michael cohen's camp, are offering their different interpretations of what exactly was said in that moment. take a listen to rudy giuliani and lanny davis, the lawyers for donald trump and michael cohen, offering their explanations of what we actually heard. >> i agree with you that the tape is a little bit hard to hear. but i assure you that we listened to it numerous, numerous times. the transcript makes it quite clear at the end that president trump says, quote, don't pay with cash. cohen then interrupts and says, no, no, no, i got

hope hicks, right? there was donald trump jr. whoever may have been in the meeting. the folks who were around the president and the folks who were said to have been in that meeting. and you look at them across the screen there. so that's part of the folks who would be there. also the telephone call, remember, that he called that number that was private or what have you and it wasn't listed. but the thing is that conspiracy, i'm told, doesn't have to be successfully completed in order to get a legitimate conspiracy charge, correct? >> that's correct. there is an agreement to conspire to commit what is a criminal act. they don't have to do it, but if one overt act is taken in furtherance of the conspiracy, it becomes a viable conspiracy. and then there's liability. for example, if you and i agree to rob a bank and you decide to back out and didn't tell me but i go ahead and rob the bank, you're still in the game. >> don, i would just add too, in effect we're talking about two meetings here. we're talking about that famous trump tower meeting in june where the russians

you just said none of them does that include hope hicks? other staff? >> well, so hope hicks, for example, when she was pressed, she would refuse to answer questions. donald trump jr., when he was asked about conversations with his father about the june 9th, trump tower meeting, he refused to answer and the republicans did not want to subpoena him to compel him. they didn't want to know. it was a take him at his word investigation which we are seeing was so irresponsible. we're learning more and more every day. i'm anment o ment on miment onm. if people want to know, this is wrong, there is still an opportunity to come back to congress and reopen this investigation. we can still do it and i think people should tell their representatives on the intel committee they expect it. >> why do you think the trump tower meeting has proved so problematic for the trump team to get their stories straight? >> it is not about what donald trump did with that meeting. i think what is significant is what he did not do. if he knew meeting was to take place, he did not his

you might also remember that hope hicks admitted to lawmakers that she sometimes told white lies for the president. unsurprisingly, the president is not happy about the audio's release. wet, what kind of a lawyer would tape a client? so sad. is this a first? never heard of before. why was the tape so abruptly terminated, cut while i was presumably saying positive things? now both trump's lawyer and michael cohen's lawyer are pleading their case to the public, arguing over what said what and what the word cash meant. do not be fooled. the important part of this audio is not who said what or whether donald trump wanted to use cash to try to keep the payment a secret, as cohen's attorney alleges. what is most important about this audio is that donald trump knew about a payment, and it sounds like he and cohen were working together to try and bury this story before the election and that they discussed using money to keep it buried. that right there could be a campaign finance violation. something similar to what john edwards was charged with in 2011. remember in june of that year the for

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it was days before that trump campaign spokeswoman hope hicks said an affair was "totally untrue." and "they have no knowledge of any of this." now we know that's totally untrue. let's bring in bill crystal and joan walsh, national correspondent for the nation. good evening and welcome. we know this president has issues with the truth. >> you think. wow, breaking news here from don lemon. >> breaking news from 1997. is this even prove the point more? >> yeah, of course it does. it does open -- it's pretty astounding to have these tapes. he was donald trump's lawyer and fixer and i guess there's no honor among thieves. it does open up vulnerability >> you think it matters? >> it could because who knows what's on all these tapes. >> i really appreciated that frank and mark in the earlier segment made the point that he retains his popularity but that's partly because the republican party, the number of self-identified republicans are shrinking. however, that said, we got sean spicer. he lied to us for six months. he lied publicly. >> now he's out selling a book. >> i'm not out selling

hick man has been receiving national attention for his column but he says it has nothing to do with hish. you do. but when you tear someone else down to get your voice heard than you're doing everything wrong sir. >> i didn't give up my first amendment right when a came an elected official. >> he has not backed off from views but he expressed regret for mentioning public office in in the column. >>> grand jury indictments to punish taggers. the grand jury indicted seven people who tagged buildings, streets and sidewalks across san francisco and they're facing 51 felony counts. the city spends more than 20 $20 million a year removing graffiti. the police says there's a difference between the graffiti of gang members and taggers. >> their goal is to seek fame and recognition through their tag and this can't be done if more than one person is writing their tag. gang graffiti is much more easy to read. >> city officials hope the announcement of indictments sends a message san francisco won't tolerate graffiti. >>> there's a big win for community members in fremont working to save their comm

at the time trump campaign hope hicks denieded t the campaign k anything about it. >> hope hicks hashave a relationship. there is no truth to this. >> uh-huh. >> when you heard that denial what did you think? >> well, i think somebody is lying and i can tell you it's not me. it is a little hurtful. at the same time i have to understand if he were to have told hope he didn't to do it i guess i have to understand because he is trying to protect his family, his image, things like that. it was definitely a little like wow. you're going to lie about that? okay. >> the new yorker revealed more in february the white house denied it outright saying in a statement this is an old story that is more fake news. the president says he never had a relationship with mcdougal. cohen talks about setting audiotape a corporation to make the payment. wall street journal says he set up resolution consultants which further distanced trump from the payments offering the ability to remain unidentified. no proof they ever made the payment to ami but it could violate campaign finance laws. >> the payment to ka

i think that hope hicks is probably pretty good at talking to donald trump. i don't think she has the savvy and the experience to really help him govern. >> look, she doesn't have the experience, that's for sure. she certainly did manage to stay above the fray during her tenure at the white house. but the last part that you mentioned, someone who can go behind closed doors and tell the president perhaps something he doesn't want to hear, might she be able to do that? and given this president, might that be what he needs? >> look, i don't doubt she has a good relationship with the president and may be able to tell hip things that others cannot. but it's inescapable that to be an effective white house chief of staff, you have to have political savvy and knowledge of capital hill and ability to count votes to get things done. this is a white house that's still broken and dysfunctional. this is a white house that has been unable to govern. you look at repeal and replace, and everything else in the latest fiasco on the boarders. so donald trump doesn't need a neop

levin: you were teased in college for being a "hick." you have an accent. - were you self-conscious? - no. no. i wasn't. i get up for it. anything i do i get up for it. but i don't get-- i don't get nervous. the first show, um, did not go great. and there were a lot of people who thought you were abrasive. they weren't used to it. if you have a need, you find a way to deal with it, don't you? the problem is, that we don't use food, we abuse food. levin: and there were even producers on the show who felt that she should never have you back again. - everybody but you, said, "it won't work." - yeah. that's true. - they said it won't work. - did you all know at first everybody told me this won't work. my producers, everybody, said this is not-- this guy-- and the audience had a really strong reaction to you, and it wasn't so good. ( laughter ) levin: did you know that at the time? uh, no, it did go great. - it went great from my perspective. - ( laughs ) it went great from oprah's perspective. it shocked a lot of people. and a lot of people

in april twenty sixth in a journalist exposed to hicks a pharma scandal the case calls public outrage forcing the minister of health to resign. the saddle hits the farm if you don't watch our kind of that is out there to be watch out for most fans if you achieve differences because of the way you turn memory of a victim. because i don't know which is that you know when you've got all this for you to do but i suppose the reason i was there at the legal gun show explode outs and more every day and the moment i'm caught is that it's pretty clear that he was always the sponsor your mind if you. say wonderful but it was as if you're in for a life but then i just. did what. she wanted to offer you know the long sought for someone but actually looking into them said you want to kind of get it busy with a gun but i want to be able to say that i was you know you still and in fact i just got up an option was that the quote i just want us to stop it just enough honestly that you want to give us something that can run with it but she said when the doctor says the she needs the person the worst on

it was part of a pattern, andrea, where hope hicks wouldn't talk about, for example, what went into the fabrication of that statement that the meeting was about adoptions. corey lewandowski wouldn't talk about it. steve bannon wouldn't talk about it. and unfortunately our majority was happy to not have them talk about it. but we do need to get answers. i hope and expect bob mueller is getting answers. the implications of this, and i agree completely with your analysis, are huge. it goes to the issue of conspiracy and potentially brings that right to the president's feet. it also goes to the issue of obstruction of justice. if the president in any way encouraged his son to lie under oath to the senate about this or to the house, it would not only go to obstruction but it might go to subornation of perjury. the implications are very serious. >> vladimir putin today at a conference in south africa suggested that he would like to have the president visit him in moscow if they're ready to meet there. sarah sanders responded saying that trump looks forward to having president putin in washing

was made before the election, and three days before the election, the president's spokeswoman hope hicksaid of this agreement with karen mcdougal, quote, we have no knowledge of any of this. she went on to say that the alleged affair was totally untrue. big picture, why should the american people care so much about this this morning? >> so big picture point number one. donald trump either didn't tell the whole truth or didn't tell any of the truth to his staff, because two months prior, he had clearly had knowledge of this payment. so that's point one. now people say, well, who cares? everyone knows donald trump doesn't tell the truth. okay, but he's still president of the united states and when he doesn't tell the truth, in the past presidents have at least been put up there as moral paragons. they certainly haven't delivered on this and it's worth noting when they don't. and point two, and i'm sure this is more the point going forward. michael cohen is a guy that would fix problems that nobody would fix for donald trump. we now know of two instances, karen mcdougal and stormy daniels.

this is a conversation that if when hope hicks said in november of 2016 that we, quote, have no knowledge this, if that were true, this conversation could not have happened. so that leads to the next question. the story has changed repeatedly, both about karen mcdougal and about stormy daniels. what the president knew, what he was involved in, where the money came from. what credibility does this administration, does this president, do his supporters who speak with -- about him on this, in this context, what credibility do any of you have now in trying to convince the american people something did or did not happen? >> i would say, again, you're innocent until proven guilty here. i haven't seen one piece of evidence put forward saying that the president's statements or anything from his team have been inaccurate or wrong. >> okay, stop there. stop there. >> okay. >> sarah sanders from the podium at the white house said president trump knew nothing about the payments to stormy daniels. then word that he not only knew but reimbursed michael cohen. >> only the legal team is the one that will

hick dense fog. i do think we'll be able to see something.lly your best viewing would be right here across the east bay and also for the south bay. temperatures cooling off 4 to 7 degrees tomorrow. so probably one of the most comfortable fourth of julys we've had in a long time. no 90s, no 100s which can be pretty routine this time of year. right over to the east bay, only 77 in concord and 78 in antioch. you've got a lot of celebrations happening across the east bay and your best bet is right here in concord. we're looking at 67 degrees at 2:00 p.m. red wood city, 72 degrees. san francisco takes the jacket. might also be the thing where you takehtin them and shooting them off a in e north bay 74 in u'll still sonoma and 76 in napa. let's take you to hurricane fabio. yes, that's the name of this storm city. the energy of this will move towards the bay. this will give us 7 or 12 foot waves, slight humidity and thursday into saturday. san francisco goes into low 70s once we hit saturday and sunday. and we're back into the 90s thursday, friday,