i think both high pocket the cease are true. they've opened up a space for the democrats. >> let's be clear. >> i agree with stanley. the situation is different on abortion and gay rights for example because on abortion, the position of the people has been largely the same. on gay rights it's been moving and changing more rapidly than on anywhere of the social issues we've seen in memory. there's been a tremendous shift and it's a generation shift but it's also a shift within generations. people under 35, what's the issue with gay marriage, why do we care about it? obviously it should be allowed. but the people as a whole -- this is a long-term shift. as people know -- it was famously mentioned that justice blackman, i think, on the day of the baurs decision which said -- which allowed laws against consensual sodomy, against being gay, said to his gay law clerk, don't know anybody who's gay. today everyone knows somebody who's gay, a cousin or brother or something. >> even there, that the proper way of putting it is one should b