. >> this is hilary cass. >> this is hilary cass. >> yes, who authored the cass review.d now not just about the model for kids , but for adults, too. yeah. kids, but for adults, too. yeah. >> yeah, absolutely. so the concerns that she outlined were about patients being given hormone treatment on their second visit to the doctor. so after having one consultation, beginning hormone treatment the second time they visit, and then a lot of the, reports done by these doctors were kind of boilerplate, not specific to the person or the, you know, the individual coming. yeah. so, yeah. so, you know , something yeah. so, you know, something like this should be very nuanced and specific to the person. >> i actually have to say. i mean, the way that doctor hilary cass has conducted herself with this whole thing, she's always so measured. she's always so polite. they say this is very robust, but by her standards, you know, she's just always kind of she just she knows what she's talking about. she spent years and years studying this and she's had to face all threats and all sorts of s