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a few moments later, hilda solis fired back. >> i'm very disappointed to hear that. we have a very professional service organization with top officials working in the bls. our most trained and skilled individuals. it is really ludicrous to hear that kind of statement. >> representative allan west is a florida republican and he says he agrees with mr. welch. congressman, good to see you. >> thank you very much. how are you all? >> what do you believe what mr. welch says and not what the secretary of labor says. >> it is not about believing what mr. search says. it is about studying the numbers. we continue to see these inconsistencies and revisions upwards and downwards. work force participation rate still remains at a 30-year low. when you compare this to the u6 computation which takes into account unemployed, underemployed and discouraged numbers, that number didn't move. it stayed at 14.7%. >> you are alleging not that the data are inconsistent, you are alleging specifically that the president is engaging in a coverup of the data. you are saying that the administra

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i find that very insulting. >> hilda solis. for the record, here's how the process works.he raw data comes in on wednesdays, the week before each monthly report. the bureau of labor statistics gets around -- calls around 60,000 households and asks who's working. that's where the unemployment rate comes from. for job growth or job loss, the bls gathers payroll data from businesses. everyone who touches the data signs confidentiality agreements, documents are locked in safes, computers are encrypted, windows are actually papered over, custodians don't even empty the trash until the work is done. only the secretary, the vice president biden, president obama and a few economists know the results in advance. they get them 12 hours in advance with apparently no option to change them. what's more, at the moment the bls isn't run by a political appointee. a nonpolitical career civil servant is in charge. there are, we should point out, questions about how the bls gathers the raw data, legitimate questions, but also there are conspiracy theories. the washington examiner tweeting i

hilda solis joining us from washington. jim?k you have the payroll processing to tip co or sap and we can get it daily. you want to take it out of the realm of questioning and if jack welch saw it was from sap. >> don't you think it speaks to the fact that americans don't see the progress so they think the economy is bad and not showing signs of a turnaround so they do cast this as a shadow. >> we're looking at twitter and we're looking at tweets from well known business people and pundits. i don't know how mc's going to view this. i have no idea. >> you think it's a purely political thing? and the confirmations that jack welch is seaing i don't see the signs here from a 7.8% here from an 8.1%. >> i don't see it. he's a strong mitt romney supporter. >> true. >> data is wrong for everybody? and by the way, when people see the 7.8%, whatever side you're on tomorrow in the newspaper or today on the internet they are not going to be thinking about well, how does the bls actually do that survey and how does all that work in the headl

this is like the criticism i received from hilda solis, it was considered softball. i didn't ask her why she isn't following up on governor romney's idea, we might create 4 million jobs. that's hardball, not softball. what's good is good, no matter who is in office. those numbers were good. not much more to it anyone who says i am being partisan is out of their mind. what a shame that the charge can be even made, let alone made by people i respect. honestly, people, more to life than who wins in november. stay with cramer. >>> next week, three big things, alcoa, i think they'll be hurt by chinese aluminum. yum, remember, i think they'll be hurt by kentucky fried chicken, and vertex, i think

we've had a response from the labor secretary, hilda solis, who called that ludicrous. this will become a political issue now as to whether these numbers -- as to whether they cooked the books. >> reporter: that's right, norah. the obama said they basically did not want to dignify it with a response. it is getting a lot of pickup. so much so that hida solis is responding to it and some republicans as well are saying that's just impossible. >>> earlier before the jobs report came out, we spoke with former presidential candidate howard dean. we asked the former vermont governor about criticism of president obama's debate performance by fellow democrats. >> it is a lot of hand wringing first of all. the president did fine. mitt romney was very aggressive and they should have been prepared for that. he had had been very aggressive on one of the sunday talk shows weeks before that. the president preferred to remain presidential and did remain presidential. i think romney did himself some damage. he did well in the debate from a debating point of view. the truth is he has bec

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hilda solis is responsible at the bureau of statistics which puts out the job numbers. >> i have the highest regard for our professional staff at the bureau of statistics. folks that have been working in this area for many years and this is a methodology that's been used for decades. it is insulting when you hear people just cavalierly say that somehow we are manipulating numbers. i find that very insulting. >> solis, not solis. for the record, here's how the process works. the raw data comes in on wednesdays, the week before the monthly report. the bureau of statistics makes calls around to 60,000 house holds and asks who is working. that's where the unemployment rate comes from. for job growth and job loss, they gather payroll data from businesses. everyone who touches the data signs confidentiality agreements. documents are locked in safes. windows are actually papered over. custo custodians don't even empty the trash until it's over. they give them 12 hours in advance with apparently no option to change them. what's more, at the moment the bls isn't run by a political appointee,

and laura igraham says, job numbers from labor secretary hilda solis are total pro obama. congressman allen west challenged the numbers, quote, chicago style politics is at work here. and, of course, rush limbaugh took time to get unreal. >> it's no different than obama declaring the temperature is going to be 75 degrees every day no matter what your thermometer says. >> that's the problem with the right and that's the problem with governor romney. ey can't stand the truth. things are getting better. joining me now is joan walsh, editor at large for salon.com and an msnbc political analyst. and e.j. dionne, columnist for "the washington post" and an msnbc contributor. joan, let me start with you. what's behind these conspiracy theories? >> they just don't want to accept the realities that the president has made things better, reverend al. i think you forgot one. rush, when hurricane ivan was -- rush accused president obama of messing with the weather or the weather service. i'm not sure which. they impute all of this power to him. it's dark power. it's evil power. because

they don't work for hilda solis inside the department of labor. they're carved out in a separate unit. but bls is sort of culturally its own entity and there is not a shred of evidence they've manipulated this number or did so this time. that would be a huge, huge scand physical it happened and those people who are saying that it happened, ought to come up with some evidence it did. if anybody has any evidence it did they ought to e-mail it to me because i'm a reporter and would love to do the story. >> candidate mitt romney is in southwest virginia at a coal country rally, expecting his first on camera comments after the september jobs report. let's take a listen. >> by the way, we have the governor here today but he's in florida campaigning for me, so thank you to bob mcdonnell for the work he's doing, a great governor. you may know that a couple of nights ago, we had a debate. you may have got the chance to see that. and it was a good experience, i think for, for me, for the president, the people that watched, a debate of substance. we talked a

quote, jobs numbers from labor secretary hilda solis are total pro obama propaganda. just looking on twitter you could see the ground swell on the right that they were going to build their own iran-ternet on this. forget the real world they were going to build their own private world that made them happier. the real internet is inconvenient. we will have our own. the real facts are not accepted. we will have our own. time for fresh fact. you could see the ground swell building for this on the right first online but then of course where it fully blossomed was on cable news. >> oh, how convenient that the rate dropped below 8% for the first time in 43 months five weeks before an election. that's why there is some mistrust of these numbers. >> i told you they'd get it under 8%. they did. >> a great argument. >> you can let america decide how they got it there. >> some people will be very cynical a government number will come out this great on the eve of the election. i'll make a guarantee right now. i don't like to do this but i guarantee when this is revised the unemplo

i want to bring in labor secretary hilda solis. good to see you again. it's bean while. i didn't think we would be talking for this reason but some conservative voices challenge the legitimacy of the labor department's numbers when they came up on friday. they said how is it possible that we created 114,000 jobs, not enough generally to keep pace with population growth and yet the unemployment number went down? the percentage. they said they suggested they hinted that there might have been political interference in the labor department's calculations. i find this quite stunning. >> it is. it's ludicrous. it's totally inaccurate. i have the highest regard and faith in our bureau of labor statistic individuals. these are civil servants. they are not political. they served many years in their capacities as professional statistician, economists, analysts. they serve under republican as well as democratic administration. they are not political at all. i receive the information the first friday of the month at 8:00 a.m. in the morning and i am reporting on exactly what is give

but on cnbc, labor secretary hilda solis called that claim "ludicrous" and defended the bureau of labor statistics. >> you know, i'm insulted when i hear that, because we have a very professional civil service organization where you have top, top economists that work at the b.l.s. >> brown: the employment numbers landed as the campaigns put up new ads attacking each other on jobs and taxes. >> president obama says he's creating jobs. but he's really creating debt. the facts are clear. obama's four deficits are the four largest in u.s. history. he's adding almost as much debt as all 43 previous presidents combined. and over 30 cents of every dollar obama spends is borrowed, much of it from countries like china. he's not just wasting money; he's borrowing it and then wasting it. we can't afford four more years. >> why won't romney level with us about his tax plan, which gives the wealthy huge new tax breaks? because, according to experts, he'd have to raise taxes on the middle class, or increase the deficit to pay for it. if we can't trust him here, how can we ever trust him here? >> brow

we had labor secretary hilda solis on cnbc rejecting this. says, i have the highest respect for the people who work at the bureau of labor statistics. this is ludicrous, the charges that are coming about the numbers being manipulated. there is no serious economists who would take these charges seriously. caller: good morning. i kept hearing in the media that regardless of who is president, 20 million jobs would be created over the next 10 years. i took time this morning to look it up. it also states that construction will not catch up in the next 10 years. i also have to take a look at this and feel that president obama's policies have to be contributing to this -- these increase jobs in the future. thank you. guest: thank you. i think that is absolutely right. at least for the president and the president's campaign staffers in chicago, this month's numbers did give them a chance to stand to the republican critics out there, including presidential candidate mitt romney, you have been criticizing us for the last few years and for the last few

jenna: let me get your thoughts on this, governor because hilda solis labor secretary said i'm insulted when people bring that up. our people in the labor department don't do this. your thoughts, you've been a businessman a long time and often in politics, what do you say about viewers say, i don't know about this number? >> a year ago, unemployment rate was 9%. good to see it coming down. we're still way behind we should be in a normal recovery. this is tepid recovery. it is good seeing people going back to work. i think seasonal hiring helps, no question about that. disappointing to see manufacturing drop a little bit. anything we can do to get people back to work is good for america. we just need a lot more of it and have mead needed it for some sometime. jenna: go back to the point you made about manufacturing. not only you had experience of governor of michigan but ceo of national association of manufacturers. some people have questions whether or not we're seeing seasonal hiring so close to the holidays. how much of a factor do you think that is? >> halloween is second largest hol