not to gregory the vii who was hildebrand's, now not pope, but false monk. and then he rebuts all the arguments and it's quite a stir. i'm to be judged by god, alone can and do not to be depose for any crime in less it ever happen i should deviate from the faith. so you might think this is very serious dust up between two big egos, pope, emperor. who is going to win? well, the emperor does have mounted knights, armies, councils. he can field a great many soldiers. and the pope, the pope has belgian monks, nuns, parish priests. who is going to win? well, it's an interesting story because in 1077 the emperor asked forgiveness of the pope and read mission to the church. now, it's not by the way just because of the force of personality or excommunication. there also was a norman army which happened to be camping nearby. and you may recall that the pope's hat support 1066 a norman claim to the throne of england. and they were pretty good at keeping accounts and they said you all is, and the normans indeed oblige. this is a complicated story but it establishes a v