his first follower said that hildegard was the first protestant.t is quite amazing since she was 400 years older and was a benedictine abbott as. she wrote fierce letters to the pope and bishops and she preached all over germany and switzerland and her main theme was corruption of clergy and how justice was being ignored. >> i thought it was interesting that she preached at that time. >> the irony, here is a papacy that doesn't allow them to preach. >> they are storing nuns under the bus in north america but they don't have a clue what they've done. that's why i call it a trojan horse in unleashing the amazing figure for people to pay attention to. >> i've been excited about this. i had it ordered a week ago and i read it in a week because it's so compelling, the information you have. >> we will talk more in future segments and make reference to some other books. please join us with doctor tthew fohe on >>> welcome back to mosaic. you see the title, hildegard avenging, way back in the 12th century, a great saint and we've been talking to doctor mat