our polling versus hillar clinton versus jeb bush. this is where jeb bush emerges over mr. walker. see they're even. tied at 45%. are they still betting on a bush/clinton race? >> obviously if you go to the general public independents, maybe more inclined to vote for hillary. over time obviously, that will change. cheryl: and i've heard lou said this before. the g.o.p. could easily screw this up. he's been vocal about that. how does this not happen when you have an incumbent president leaving and a wide open field and a lot of criticism of the current -- >> we not to make it not about the lack of leadership in this administration. we need to be about the future and what we as a party thinks -- >> does religion play into this? >> religion always plays a part. 25% are evangelical voters. you have to pay some attention to it. you hope that they are concerned about other issues besides just the religious issues. you need to attract young voters and other voters. we'll have some battle in his our party. there will be a business community that supports jeb bush. and sort of a populist eva