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go don't have anything to like what hillary clinton hillary clinton a best at one point was winning by 4 or 5 points and by the way the polls were right about hillary clinton she did win the election particular for the national polls so right now if you're going to ask that by the way that's a great question what are the national polls now most some there are some national polls now that have doll dropped losing by 16 at best i don't know and it's really up by something i mean i guess it all myself i'm a little skeptical myself i hear you i'm just from from what we saw in the past and i hear what you're saying but a lot of investors and business people who who vote for trump who are watching and keeping a close eye on the market for them doing while because you know they're making their money they're going to go out and vote for trump are they not. know they feel like safe. they think the stewardship that they did not trust hillary clinton with. their more apt to trust joe biden with because joe biden's a caretaker he's not a revolution. should marry he's not seen as a communist he's not seen as all those things that were fairly or unfairly cast th
hillary clinton hillary clinton had won, the likes of comey and mccabe and peter strzok, they would be running the country at the law-enforcement end of of this o thank goodness that didn't come to fruition. the president is making it very strong accusation accusing anybody of plagiarism but it's not new for joe biden. he has been in this boat many, many times throughout his decades of service. >> absolutely. we know he plagiarized a couple words from the president's past he's plagiarizing the policies from socialists like bernie sanders and aoc and ilhan omar, rashida tlaib, elizabeth warren. his policies are going to be so detrimental to this country but let's be clear. we don't have to guess what i biden economy looks like. we just lived through it for the past eight years. 850,000 jobs were lost just from nafta alone. 70,000 manufacturing plants closed. millions of jobs lost because of his relationship with china, because of his defense of china. we also don't have to guess how our cities and streets would look if joe biden were president. we saw rioters and looters drag innocent americans just trying to defend their businesses out into the streets, beat them within an inch of their lives, left to lie in a pool of their own blood. joe biden said nothing when churches were burned, when stores were looted, riots across our city streets. he said nothing about that. so you don't have to guess what would happen in this country. we've already seen it happen. i'm >> jason: hogan gidley, thank you so much for joining us tonight. we do appreciate it. >> absolutely, jason. if i may say one more thing. just because of joe biden's record of the past, not defending the american worker, gutting the american middle class, i have to say i think the only job that joe biden has ever fought for that was an american job was for hunter biden. but that being said, i don't take that technically counts because that was for a chinese company so even still with his son, he's helping out china. >> jason: good point. hogan gidley, thank you again for joining us. joining us with more reaction to joe biden's long and storied history of plagiarism is american conservative union chairman matt schlapp along with arizona congressman andy biggs. gentlemen, thank you for joining us here tonight. i want to go to you first, matt, because i've got to tell you, bernie sanders is the one that's actually saying that joe biden would be perhaps the most progressive president in the history of the united states. we should believe him, shouldn't we? >> yeah, when joe biden's mouth is flapping, you know, it's actually bernie sanders who we are hearing. they very cleverly change the names of some of these policies but it's all the socialist marxist policies that elizabeth warren and bernie sanders pine for. it's basically saying that we are going to get zero emissions on fossil fuels, carbon emissions which means fossil fuels will be illegal. no more fracking. sorry, pennsylvania. sorry, ohio. no more fracking. they are even talking about not letting the police carry firearms. it's not just defunding the police. it's now d arming the police. they are even talking about reparations. so this is very, very radical stuff and the most radical piece of it is he's talking about buying american products to a larger extent from the federal government but guess what, those products can't be made in america when all those regulations that trump got rid of come back on the books and he increases corporate taxes by another third. there is no way american companies will be competitive, so if you're an american worker and you want to keep that job, joe biden is your worst nightmare. >> jason: now, congressman, i mean, i kind of giggle when i hear joe biden say that he wants to transform the nation, which scares the living daylights out of me. he's only been in political office since 1972 when i was 5 years old kicking a soccer ball. he is suddenly going to transform the nation and there are issues like immigration and other things i think he wants to take such a radical view and position. but we really don't know who it's working for, who's actually writing the stuff other than aoc and bernie sanders, as matt was talking about. >> that's exactly right, jason. if you want to get a real picture, an indication of what a biden presidency would be like, you couldn't get a bigger picture than this. what it is is biden's not going to be the president. he's going to have that title but somebody else is going to be manufacturing these wacky far left policies. they are so far to the left they are leaving the democrats behind. this is something that's way out there. this is the squad from the congress that's out there and then you have bernie sanders and elizabeth warren who are in there. they're having their fondest dreams put into place and joe biden who spent his whole career driving down the middle-of-the-road, just trying to move to the next office, is now going to be co-opted. that's what's going to happen if he becomes president of the united states. this is a great indication of that future if biden becomes the president. >> jason: yeah, if you can't get it done in your first 48 years in office, it probably isn't going to happen. matt, i've got to tell you. part of what you hear from the democrats at large and also from joe biden is this cancel culture. americans are constantly told everything is wrong. how do you think america is actually reacting to this? >> look, i have been a victim of this. i've seen it. a friend of mine, the ceo of goya foods is a victim of this, they are trying to make it a crime, a hate crime, punishable for simply being a republican, being a christian, having free-market views. how about this one, jason? having views consistent with those of abraham lincoln are frederick douglass or how about our founders? they want to make a criminal. it's not just our ripping down statues. it's about destroying the lives of americans with common sense values. this is fascism. this is fascism of the left. everybody better wake up because they are coming for each and every person that dares stand up to this angry mob and we are all going to have to face it. we better face it now. if we wait until later, will we might not have a country anymore. >> jason: yeah, i love the left that felt left claims to be the party of tolerance but you say anything they disagree with and they are the least tolerant. congressman, about 15 seconds. do you think joe biden is actually going to debate, actually going to speak for himself without the puppeteers? and join donald trump on the debate stage? >> i can't see him on a debate stage with president trump. what i see is him finding a way to do it from his home where he's going to have some teleprompters with some people giving him some answers. that's the only way he can compete. that's it. he has no original thoughts of his own. >> jason: joe biden needs to live up to his obligation and his commitment to debate donald trump a match happen for three debates, if not four but at least three. gentlemen, congressman biggs, matt schlapp, thank you for joining us tonight. we do appreciate it. all right, coming up for violent is skyrocketing in new york city and mayor bill de blasio is banning all large gatherings except for police protests and riots. you can't make this stuff up. america's mayor rudy giuliani will react and later, the huxley war on dissenting voices that hit new levels. this hannity special continuous. stay with us. as you get older, are you worried about staying sharp and alert? 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if people want to march down fifth avenue, are they going to be allowed to do so? >> this is always an area of real sensitivity. if you're just talking about health, we would say stay home if you can. but we understand in this moment in history, people are talking about the need for historic changes. today new york city, you know, recognizing the power and the meaning of the message black lives matter which we did in front of trump tower today, this is a historic moment of change. we have to respect that but also say to people the kinds of gatherings we are used to, parades and fairs, we just can't have that while we are focusing on health right now. >> jason: joining is now is former mayor of new york city, rudy giuliani. mr. mayor, thank you so much for joining us. when you hear me or do bill de blasio say those things and take that position, h your mind? >> what runs through my mind is before this, i thought he was the worst mayor in the history of the city, now he will have written that like a headline. just think of the contradiction. i mean, everybody else can't merge. we have to wear masks. we have to separate ourselves. but if you are protesting, you can stand together. you can spit in each other's face, you can hug and squeeze and you're not going to get covid-19. and their phony political party wants us to believe that this is based on science? science? it's based on political phoniness. also black lives matter, black lives matter is an organization run by three marxists and financed by a convicted terrorist who i happen to have convicted who got 58 years in jail and got a corrupt pardon from bill clinton. this is not a benign organization. i can't say yet that we can prove it's a terrorist organization. it's certainly a violent organization, and i believe in the course of time it will be shown to be a terrorist organization. one of the primary persons, susan rosenberg, who handles their finances, is a convicted terrorist who was involved with the black panthers who used to slaughter police officers. if you read what she's written, she's not terribly far from where she used to be. if you read what those other women have written, that whites are horrible, whites are horrendous, whites shouldn't be allowed to have equal rights, they are a racist organization. they are actually participating in hate speech, and this man, because he went to cuba on his honeymoon and he fought for the sandinistas, i mean, this man, we always thought he was a communist but i think he wants to prove it to us. >> jason: mr. mayor, new york city used to be a great place for families, for business. what you did with bernie kerik and others. >> i worked really hard. >> jason: yeah. >> the city is going back to the way it was. we have a democrat mayor. we could say the same thing about chicago or philadelphia, can't we? chicago is the only city that now has more murders than us. democrat mayor for 1,000 years, you know. philadelphia. baltimore. >> jason: is a just bill de blasio or what else is going on? is it just the mayor taking these radical positions? >> no, he's got a city council that fell off the left cliff. and is totally insane. i mean, they pass bills that are ridiculous. the man released 8,000 people, prisoners. he and cuomo passed a bill that you basically can hold people you arrest in jail. the police are completely demoralized. today he issued a block by block crime reduction program in which he didn't even talk to the police department and the police department's comments on it was no comment. so we've got a mayor who is alienated from the police department, not to mention for other reasons the governor hates him. and then he's putting black lives matter in front of the president's personal residence. the president he wants to go to help bail out new york. among other things, not only as a communist but is a stupid one. and the man should be removed by the governor. he should have been removed sometime ago and i believe, there is no doubt that his incompetence has caused us many, many lives. his ridiculous decisions, his laziness. he doesn't come to work. half hour, an hour, an hour and a half late for everything. a lot of suspicions as to why that nobody wants to talk about it. >> jason: well, mr. mayor. >> this man, this man has in about five weeks destroyed 20 years of work of mine and mike bloomberg and ray kelly and bernie kerik and howard and bill. i mean, in two years when i was mayor, from the most dangerous city in america to the safest large city in america and we remained that way until this idiot came along. >> jason: well, mr. mayor, the proof is in the numbers. june of 2020 represented over june of 2019 a 130% increase in shootings in new york city. and it doesn't need to be this way. mr. mayor, i wish i had more time with you. i thank you for joining us tonight on "hannity." up next, cnn was called out by former staffers including an ex producer slamming the network for a lack of self-awareness in the trump era. joe concha, larry elder, and leo terrell will react. and then the president's call to reopen schools draws pushback from democratic governors. stay with us. ♪ >> jason: welcome back to this special edition of "hannity." the left is proving to be more hateful and more divisive than ever before. when cancel culture running rampant throughout american society. for the most part you can avoid cancellation by bending to the liberal mob but if you dare to be a freethinker or worse, conservative, you have a target on your back. if you ask green new deal author and socialist sweetheart aoc, she doesn't even think the phenomenon exists. she tweeted yesterday "it's our you're not actually canceled. you're just being challenged. held accountable, or unlike." yeah, right. goya foods is certainly not on light. their products are staples and kitchens across the country. but liberals will soon be throwing their beans out with the bathwater. the goya foods ceo sparked some liberals to call for a boycott after praising president trump. here's how he responded on "fox & friends" earlier today. >> i'm not apologizing for saying, especially the quote by the president of the united states. you're going to say i'm busy. no thank you. i didn't say that the obamas and i didn't to president trump. >> jason: good for him. president trump returned the praise in a tweet aboard air force run writing "i love goya foods." it doesn't stop there. cnn's don lemon went so far as to lecture after terry crews on what he thinks the black lives matter movement really means. listen to this. >> when you look at the city of chicago, there are nine children who died by gun violence, by black on black on violence, from june 20th all the way to today. you're talking about even with the atlanta child murders, there were 28 kids who died in two years. you're talking about a month. you have nine black kids. the black lives matter movement has said nothing. speak of the black lives matter movement was started because it was talking about police brutal. if you want and all black lives matter movement that talks about gun violence in communities, including you know, black communities, then start that movement with that name. but that's not what black lives matter is about. >> jason: you be the judge on that clip, ladies and gentlemen. lemon's embarrassing showing even prompted a former cnn staffer to admit the network has taken a turn for the worst in the trump era. joining me now with reaction, media reporter for the hill, joe concha. salem radio nationally syndicated host larry elder. and civil rights attorney leo terrel. gentlemen, thank you so much for joining us here. joe, i want to start with you. you follow, study, right about the media every day. what was your take on that exchange that happened there with don lemon? >> well, don lemon is everything that political journalism has mostly become, that is not to be a curious journalist, asking questions and trying to get to the truth. instead, it's using their platform to advance a cause or in this case, to be a fiftysomething president of the high school debate team in defending black lives matter. so don lemon was actually asked about this in a podcast interview a couple days later, and here's what he had to say, jason. "my role as a journalist is to speak for my truth and my lens and from where i come from." remember, this is an anchor saying this. "i don't think those things or biases." those of the very definition of bias. whose truth, mr. lemon? were we talking about here because your truth is subjective and therefore is something that is in fact based, it's something that you are coming from a certain perspective. if you support black lives matter, is clearly don lemon does, then you therefore support defining the police. you look at many poles and most americans don't support that. it's not the truth. it's your opinion, and it's an opinion not shared by many americans learn watching. stephen it's not supposedly an opinion show. larry, i want to ask you. the americans i interact with from all sorts of races in all parts of the country, they are absolutely fat up and sickened with the idea that supposedly everything they do, like saying the pledge of allegiance, putting their hand over their heart during the pledge of allegiance when they see a building with a flag on it and the city says hey, take it down. they are kind of fed up with being told that everything they are doing is wrong. just when they are doing things that are patriotic. >> consider who don lemon works for. he works were seen whose president and ceo, jeff zucker, is on a project veritas tape conducting is 9:00 meetings literally telling people to ignore news as important and focus on russia collusion, russia collusion, russia collusion. they even got staffers at cnn complaining the jeff zucker tells us what to say to the exclusion of other things they think are important and this is an organization back in 1997, 23 years ago, asked whether grace was a major problem in america. they said yes. 89% of black teams said racism was either no problem or little problem in my daily life. more black teams than white teams had failure to take advantage of available opportunities is a bigger problem than racism. that was a poll in 1997 that they conveniently ignored. >> jason: leo, i've only spoken with you on television i've got to tell you i've got the greatest respect for you. do you know why? i disagree with you on a lot of stuff but you call falls instructional you see them. are you telling name that you think the average american, the person who is patriotic and pays her taxes and goes to work and works hard for the kids and family, can they even relate to what the democrats are talking about with this cancel culture? >> [laughs] >> let me tell you this, the answer is no. let me give you an example. i want to go back to the goya food situation. the democratic playbook is outdated and old. they think people of color and minorities are automatic democrats. what you saw with goya foods in the hispanic community, trump might get 50% to 60% of the hispanic vote. don lemon and the situation with that happened the other day, his personal opinion, as joe was mentioning, don lemon doesn't have any working knowledge to give an opinion. he basically ignited black lives matter. it's not a civil rights organization. it's not an organization that helps people. it's an organization that's destructive. what the democrats don't realize is people of color are no longer loyal to the democrats. they want the freedom, the independence, the self determination which is afforded in the republican party. that's where the democrats are going to lose in november. minorities are going to go republican. >> jason: yeah, you know what, democrats i think of taking them for granted for so long. and conservatives need to speak from their heart. they shouldn't give up at all on the compassion card. show them what they believe in a talk from their heart. we throw stats of people all the time is republicans. talk from your heart and asked blaine why you love this country and i think republicans will sweep up come november. gentlemen, thank you so much for joining us. i wish i had more time with all three of you but thank you for joining us. all right, coming up, the left seems to want schools closed indefinitely. but president trump 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everybody else to open the schools. to get them open. and it's very important. it's very important for our country. it's very important for the well-being of the student and the parents, so we are going to be putting a lot of pressure on open your schools in the fall. >> jason: of course he's already receiving some resistance from liberal governors like ensley and witmer. today "the wall street journal" reported a new daily record spike in covid-19 cases but there is good news. a german biotech firm is working on a vaccine that may be ready for approval by december. and the antiviral drug remdesivir is receiving encouraging results on covid-19 patients. and if you look at your screen right now, president trump is returning to the white house after a trip to washington -- to washington. joining us now with reaction is fox news medical contributor dr. janette nesheiwat. fox news contributor rachel campos-duffy, and former florida attorney general pam bondi. thank you so much for joining us tonight. we look at this picture here, that being marine one. president trump is returning to washington after a trip to florida. a trip to washington. he's coming back from florida. 9:40 on the east coast. i would love seeing that marine come down, this marine pilot in the way they do business. rain, snow, whatever it is, they do an amazing job. the president returning back to washington, d.c. we like to see him there and being safe as we watch the president exit here. we are going to talk over these pictures here and get onto the discussion about the students and going back to school. dr. come i want to ask you about this because there is obviously a medical concern but there's also so many other factors like the mental health of the students and they really are in the lowest category of risk, right? >> yeah, you're absolutely right, jason. due to the severity of covid-19 and children, it's extremely low. the mortality rate under the age of 10 is less than 1% and when a child is growing and their brain is developing, they require social engagement. they require routine and have it, they require an education. it's incontrovertible. so if you have a plan and a protocol in place, safe plan, then you can open. little steps that you can take. ensure that the children have temperatures checks. space out desks. maybe start out with class every other day. with a protocol and plan on following cdc guidelines, it can be done. it's puzzling to me to see sort of a cognitive dissonance that exists when it shouldn't when it comes to the best interests of our students, of our children. really need to put them first and look out for their best interests knowing the fact, knowing the science and the data they are less impacted compared to older populations. >> jason: so the president is now back in the white house. i want to go to rachel campos-duffy. you've got a wonderful, beautiful family. i've had the pleasure of interacting with them. he left picture-perfect kids. it's amazing. but they need to go back to school, right? >> yeah, they absolutely do. you're right, the doctor is correct. children need to get back to school. children are also part of the family and families can't work right now. millions of families are being thrust into poverty if they can't get back to work because their kids can't go to school. somebody has to stay home with them. that's not just going to affect the child. it's going to affect the family. it's going to affect our economy. you really can devise a better plan to destroy this country, to thwart our economy from growing and coming back from the terrible virus, then keeping kids home from school. as the doctor said, we know it's manageable. we know children are low risk. they are not super-spreader's, as we once thought at the beginning of this virus. it's manageable if there is an outbreak we are smart people, we can go back. we can say we're going to stay home for a couple weeks. but to start doing this, it's very clear to me that it's not teachers who are good. it's teachers unions filled with activists with a vested interest in seeing joe biden win and i believe they are doing this, they are pushing for closure of schools for political purposes. for those people who might say, jason, hey, teachers unions care about kids. these are the same people who tried to stop, you know, school choice and poor kids from going to better schools. so spare me that comment. >> jason: yeah. pam, i saw something online that made me laugh and giggle for a moment and that is only donald trump could get liberals to insist on homeschooling. these people, no matter what donald trump says, they want to go the opposite direction. but the president passionately wants to do this. a president has to make tough decisions, weighing all the factors from medical to the economy to the family. >> he doesn't just as the doctor said, he cares about getting our kids back to school safely. so does secretary devos. i spoke to her yesterday. that's what matters. we have joe biden who wants open borders and closed schools. then move got these liberal governors that you mention, governor inslee in washington state who let seattle be overrun by these left-wing liberals. then you've got governor whitmer in michigan who wouldn't even let people go buy gardening tools during the covid crisis. so i wouldn't trust either of them to decide when our kids to go back to school. by the way, joe biden wants to do away with charter schools. president trump believes every child regardless of income, race or zip code, deserves the best education possible. >> jason: doctor, i guess what i don't understand and i've heard others in my neighborhood talk about this. for the most vulnerable, the older population that has other conditions, other extenuating circumstances, why not do everything we can to lock that down and make sure they don't get exposed to the virus. but for these younger generations, why do we have to treat them the same way we treat somebody who's 85 years old in the nursing home? i don't understand that. >> yeah, you're exactly right. the phase three openings in the phases, not until phase three that the older population of those with underlying comorbidity should engage in the community. so you're absolutely right. let's focus on those most vulnerable groups, those who have heart disease and kidney disease or lung disease or obesity or diabetes. but we still have to ensure that our younger population are adhering to the cdc guidelines of physical distancing, wear a mask if you can't physical distance. keep your hands washed and clean. try to avoid large crowds, especially if there's an area of an outbreak. taking these simple measures, common steps -- common sense steps to help protect everyone. but you're absolutely right. let's focus on the most vulnerable population. >> jason: yeah, be a good neighbor. be a good citizen. wear a mask if you're going into public. you can wash her hands and you can socially distance, america. you can do that. it's not overreaching in government shouldn't be forcing you to do that but you can do it. you're going to help america. you're going to help your neighbor feel more comfortable and i think help yourself too. ladies, thank you so much for joining us. wish i had more time that we've got to keep going because coming up, big development in the quest for justice against deep state abuse. abuse. we'll tell you about it next. you doing okay? yeah. this moving thing never gets any easier. well, xfinity makes moving super easy. i can transfer my internet and tv service in about a minute. wow, that is easy. almost as easy as having those guys help you move. we are those guys. that's you? the truck adds 10 pounds. in the arms. -okay... transfer your service online in a few easy steps. now that's simple, easy, awesome. transfer your service in minutes, making moving with xfinity a breeze. visit xfinity.com/moving today. ♪ >> jason: welcome back to the special edition of "hannity." breaking tonight: president trump has commuted roger stone's sentence. meanwhile on wednesday, a british judge issued a ruling against ex-spy and dossier author christopher steele. john solomon reports the case only strengthens john durham's probe into fbi misconduct but this comes amid growing frustration over the lack of progress into the probe. joining us now with their reaction is fox news legal analyst and author of one of the best books on the topic "the russian hoax." gregg jarrett. attorney emily compagno and fox news contributor john solomon. thank you all three of you for joining us. greg, i want to get right to you. i think was widely anticipated the president would either commute the sentence a roger stone or do something in this case. what's your reaction now that the president has done this? >> commuting means he doesn't absolve roger stone of convictions but he simply eliminates the 40 month prison sentence. he did it for a couple of reasons. compassionate, 67-year-old man not in the best of health. about to go to prison on tuesday. the prison system that's struggling to stop the spread of covid-19 virus especially virulent older americans. most of all i think the president really felt as though this is not a fair trial in the district of columbia. frankly, good luck if you're a friend of donald trump trying to get a fair trial there where in the last election more than 90% of the people voted in favor of hillaryon. 4% for donald trump. it was underscored by the bias of the jury foreperson which emerged after the trial. she was virulently anti-trump, communicating social media posts, accusing trump and his supporters like roger stone of being racist. she had a powerful ability to influence and induce the entire jury to have a conviction against roger stone. the judge should have granted a new trial but said gee, it's your lawyer's fault they should have discovered the bias. it's an admission that there was bias. did not get a fair trial. >> jason: emily compagno perspective, do you think the president made the right decision? >> i think so. here's why. to echo what gregg said, it's not a pardon. it's a commutation. what's the difference between this and the 8,000 scheduled prisoners to be released in california next week? what's the difference between this and the 16,000 release within four weeks of the national declaration of emergency after the covid outbreak? this is a 67-year-old man in th
were very much of the same mind set as the people who voted for donald trump against hillary clinton. hillary clinton was clearly the candidate of the establishment and trump was the outsider. and so the idea of sort of mobilizing that dissatisfaction, that anger as part of the campaign, i didn't find surprising. i was surprised that it actually worked as well as it did. but then i was surprised when there was -- i would say until now, there still has not been any effort to broaden the base of people who chose him. and president trump has -- i don't know if this is a deliberate decision or if it's just he operates on gut instinct. he seems to and it got him to the white house so you can't say it's not worth anything. he seems to be content with appealing to his base and not really trying much to broaden the base. and if that's what you're -- and he holds rallies, political rallies. this is something no president, no sitting president did. in fact, few presidents even before they were elected would hold rallies. but the idea of holding the rallies after you've been elected is something brand-new. and
hillary clinton's story is being written still. welcome to c-span's yearlong series, first ladies influence and damage. tonight, we will tell you the story of the space of our 42nd president, hillary clinton. here to tell us of the story are too journalist to know the clintons well. gayle from vanity fair is a biographer of hillary clinton. her 2000 book was called hillary's choice. david is from the washington post, author of two books about the clinton including a 1995 biography of bill clinton. welcome to both of you. >> as we start, here i want to play a bit of a video from 1992. it is one of five or six hillary clinton clips that has become emblematic of her. this is one of them. this historian, when she talked about how she might approach the role of first lady and how involved she would be, let's listen. >> those of us who have tried to have a career and an independent life, certainly someone like myself will provide that with full public involvement. children, but also other issues. i have done the best i can and i suppose we will be subject to that kind of thing. i don't know what to say other than that. it is sad. this is still my profession which i entered before my husband. >> as they campaigned in 1992, they were promoting the idea of two for one. this should be a very involved first lady. as the ad
hillary clinton benghazi controversy. they tried to do that with republicans issuing subpoenas related to hunter. i don't think that will work. joe biden isn't hillary clinton. when you look at the analysis of crooked hillaryis day get more reaction from the right than anything related to joe biden. all of the trump nicknames, sleepy joe biden and all of that, it doesn't really catch on. trump is once again -- he is a man out of time. he is trapped in the past. he is running the same campaign he ran against hillary clinton, except hillary clinton is not on the ballot. for trump and the republicans, that's a big problem that they don't have a solution for. >> you referenced the lincoln ad. we want to show a quick bit of that right now. >> since donald trump took office, almost 8 million fewer americans are working. if trump lost jobs for a state it would be larger than 37 states. donald trump's incompetence, ignorance and indifference has made him the most deadly job killing president in our history. with so many losing their jobs, isn't it time donald trump lost his? the lincoln project is responsible for the content of this advertising. >> wow. the lincoln project is like watching a battle. they don't let
clinton dagreed to divorce hillary clinton. i'm not aware of that period. i'm also interested where hillary had major policy differences that bill clinton supported. >> thank u. >> hi, thanks, bill. well, it was 1989 when bill clinton had been -- he had gotten caught with bimbo eruptions, and he had pulled back from running for governor again. and hillary had explored whether or not she should run for governor, but a poll showed that she really wasn't going to be getting many votes at all. and bill clinton fell in love with another woman, really fell in love with her. this is not a bimbo. this is not a black-rooted lounge singer. this is a woman of quality professional whose family was in arkansas and in politics. and he asked hillary for a divorce, and she -- that's not going to happen. and this affair is going to end. and that was the -- that was the end of it. he never brought that up again. and they found their own arrangement much later which we can talk about later in the program. >> and it does tell the story of brief comment on major policy differences between the two. >> not too many but there were some. one of the major ones was more nuance than c
john lewis actually supported hillary clinton he supported hillary clinton up to the georgia primary and when he saw the members of his district vote. for obama he was like you know what i have to change my support because i don't want to be on the wrong side of history you can see martin luther king jr's legacy weighing on him there but at the same time it's complicated because when bernie sanders for instance. and in 2016 and one of the things he ran on was the idea of making public college education free job losses response to that was you know was nothing in life is for free people should have to work for what he had john lewis attended fisk university fisk university at the time john lewis attended in 1963 there to wish him was i think 545 dollars no 640 $5.00 something like that that translates into today's $1.00 and $5500.00 a year to wish it sell is $21000.00. so at the end that martin luther king jr is live he wasn't just arguing for 'd our for racial equality he was arguing against capitalism so when we see john lewis not stand up for something like free college education w
that was christopher steele's opposition research paid for by hillary clinton and democrats so hillary clintonhallenge the 2016 election? that is what christopher steele testified in british court. that is what he said he was paid to do. to pull together that fake dirt. >> well he could have made that request to the then deputy attorney general to expand his jurisdiction to include such an investigation. obviously we now know that never happened. that is what john durham is doing. that is the portion of the investigation that we're awaiting the results and you have heard from jim jordan and others you know to the effect, we're all waiting to see when those who submitted or were aware that the information that was submitted was false will be held to account, and whether or not in that process any crimes were committed. so if bob mueller testifies before the senate judiciary committee, he is going to have to answer questions, you know, along those lines which is to say, why wasn't any of this looked into and, if again, the same question i think will be deposed of him. if you knew, if you knew th
you know, hillary clinton is a more difficult comparison but i think michelle obama is ambitious in her own way just as hillary clintonlearly is. you can sort of take slices of the modern first ladies. i think michelle obama told c-span that it is the modern first ladies that she sort of relates to much more than some of the other first ladies, who seem sort of like, you know, pages of a history book. >> well, let's listen to the first lady talk about the role once more. this is from her 2009 interview with c-span. >> but i think it is all an evolutionary process. you grow into this role and my sense is that you never get comfortable if you are always pushing for change and growth not just in yourself but in the issues that you care about. you're never done. there is never a poin where you feel, there. i am now here and i can do this the same way all the time. it is always changing. it changes given the state of the issues of the country and you never know what those are going to be one day to the next. you have to be flexible and fluid and open to evolve. >> on the evolution we are coming full circle. on her three ye
hillary clinton and democrats paid him to deliver opposition dirt on then candidate trump and the fbi fell for it t was so hillary clinton could use christopher steele's fake dirt to try to challenge the election if trump won and clinton lost in 2016. that is how bad it was. welcome former navy lieutenant and house armed services member, jim banks. that is the key, the fbi got steele fake dirt to use on the trump can pain and the hillaryfor to fight the 2016 results. your take. >> that is quite a twist, elizabeth, because it is the biggest scandal in american history, we know barack obama, vice president joe biden and his administration spied on candidate trump. all the while now we know that christopher steele is telling us the truth at this point, it was all designed to help hillary clinton in the first place. it is like, it is like a 2016 all over again today. fast forward again to where we are today and, what once, once we got to the point where we are now, we thought we were beyond russian collusion hoax stories, we thought we were well beyond that, the intelligence committees in the house and senate, the department of justice, the self other agencies, even bob mueller determined there is no russian collusion with president trump or with donald trump before he became president. even though it has been long dismissed today. today you had nancy pelosi, speaker of the house rehashing it, saying that we know if we ge
hillary clinton. love her or hate her, hillary clinton was very able to beat caricatured by president trump. "lock her up," "crooked hillarywhen he said them, and they were very effective on the campaign trail. watching the tulsa rally, president trump really can't figure out how to define joe biden. joe biden is not a radical leftist. he's a moderate. he may not be someone that conservative necessarily level's policies, but he's not from the far left wing of the party. will be interesting is how much president trump is grasping for how to define biden. he has focused much more on the speech is against aoc will describe, because the biden is doing isn't landing. he's still beating him across the board. as not having the same residence it did in 2016, dagen. >> dagen: guy, i'll give marie that. he's hard to pin down, biden has become hard to attack. but why not attack him on some of his policies? his climate change policy, where the plan calls for closing every natural gas and coal fired power plant in 15 years. we get 60% of our electricity from that. you want to pay 60% higher electricity rates like california or, even wo
actually the hats came back again with hillary clinton, but it was as a sun protector. so it's sort of funny. hillary clinton is so associated with being involved with policy rather than clothing and fashion, brings back the hat for first ladies, but as a form of sun protection. we will take one last question. afterwards i'll ask that you follow our docents where we will have lunch. >> who would you say is the best dressed? second, who would you consider the one with most influence. >> i think without question it was jacqueline kennedy, because it was global influence. you'll see two images in the books. even in the midst of the cold wa war, behind the iron curtain there were sol there were soviet women's magazines showing off the jackie look, which is extraordinary. also, when she appeared in a leopard coat, there was such an instant global demand for leopard coats that the leopard was placed on the endangered species list. so i mean, it was -- it was big business, and it was just -- i could go on about that. dressed. each era really honestly does speak to that. i'm also, as i said at the beginning of this
what, i saw it when president trump, then-candidate trump prepared for the hillary clinton debate, and biden is no hillary clinton, lou, the left-wing media gives joe biden a pass. they said he was in his hometown of scranton, pennsylvania, yesterday. he hasn't lived there in 66 years, almost seven decades, and they still call it his hometown. when is the media going to be honest about this? joe biden is no more from pennsylvania than i'm from wisconsin which i might have visited once as a baby, okay? it's unbelievable to pass this guy, and now what's joe biden talking about? the same thing donald trump has talked about which is buy american and hire americans because that's the right thing to do. but for 44 years joe has offshored our jobs overseas and cozied up to china. lou: absolutely. or as we call him here occasionally, china joe. corey, thanks for being with us. corey lewandowski, always good to have you. come back soon. we've got a lot to talk about as this campaign goes on. >>> up next, the left-wing national media missing the mark a little on a very fundamental foundation of christianity. pastor robert
hillary clinton ever had, let alone that hillary clinton had in the final weeks of the race. she led by four points in the final real clear politics average. she won by two, so that's a two-point difference. joe biden's up by nearly nine points in the real clear politics, as you pointed out. a similar error would leave joe biden up seven points, the same as barack obama's decisive victory in 2008. in fact, i think you have to go all the way back to 1996 to find any example of a presidential candidate at this stage of a race leading by nearly nine percentage points. when you think about the very best moments that any candidate has had in recent political memory, a couple of weeks for hillarylinton. barack obama at the end of that 2008 campaign after the financial crisis. george w. bush after the rnc in 2004. those were -- those were six or seven-point leads, they weren't nine-point leapeds. look, the polls could be worse than they were last night. the polls are also better in many respects. many of the major causes of the polling error last time, even if they're not entirely remedied. relying on 2016 data rather than 2012 data. fewer undecided voters. none of that guarantees the polls are perfect, of course, but there are reasons to think they're less likely to be systematically biased against the president the same way they were four years ago or at least the same extent. >> we should also -- the thing you and i both keep saying this is a snapshot in time. we've seen events change things a lots. >> right. >> that's a totally separate category. >> exactly. that's a separate category, but it's also important to think of the that, right? whatever you think about the future,
we know we would not be having this conversation of hillary hillary clinton have won because the majority of americans voted for hillary clinton so i agree the discussion about the process probably would have been delayed because the outcome was what you know the 66000000 americans one of them and that makes sense that we will have a conversation because there would be functionary you know the way it should but when you have a situation where 3 there's a 3000000 vote deficit for the winner then it doesn't make sense it's like if you play a basketball game and i have 100 points and you have 97 you know you win that doesn't make sense so again it's true this is god and you know which is a basketball game you who gets the most points wins and the president actually united states of who gets 270 electoral votes that's. well you're not matched the no not at all let me tell you here kiran keep telling us how the system works as opposed to arguing in favor of you're saying the system works this way therefore i desisted should work this way and fundamentally that's not an argument in favor of it it's simply a statement i exchanged the
hillary clinton at the hands of that switch. the clintons were the great bugaboo of the right since the '90s when clinton was president. hillary clinton looked like the presumptive nominee for the democratic party. and that is his argument. you may support this now but then imagine hillary clinton having it and you could expand this kind of thinking to other subjects as well. you might support for example the obama administration use of drones to target terrorists around the world. or suspected terrorists around the world. right? you might think obama has good judgment. this prevents u.s. troops from having to go and risking their lives. it is quick and easy. okay. if you supported the obama administration and its use of that, i imagine you may not have voted for the current president. but he has use of the same tool. and if you do support the current president, the next president that comes down the line, perhaps a more left-leaning democratic candidate, who the heck knows what will happen, that person will have their hand on the switch. this is the thing to think about, right. don't -- it is easy in the moment to get sucked into the fear and the concerns that we have. they're not always unfounded or not always unreasonable, but keep many mind long-term effects. once t
draw the parallel between her and hillary clinton because they're both lawyers, and i always say, i don't think she'll run for political office. i think hillary clinton a passion from early on. but you may disagree. >> no, it's interesting. she has said emphatically many times that this is not something that she's interested in. some politicians say that, and you kind of know in the back of their minds that they're a sneaking suspicion that they'll run. but she talks about feeling like she doesn't have the personality for it, that she would be too impatient for running for office. and you get the sense, especially in the way we're talking about messaging and the way she enjoys connecting with the public, that going through the rigors and dealing with the press is not something that she would enjoy. i think that she'll be making an impact after the white house. >> she'll stay in public life. >> definitely. >> gary wants to snow -- >> i think the way that she has engame e ed -- engaged with popr and entertainment has been ground breaking. when i saw her at the oscars, it was like a head turning kind of moment. like what is the first lady doing at the o
hillary clinton led outside the margin of error in every battleground state. not worngs ever. there was never a moment that hillary clinton got to 50% in the national polling. never a moment when voters who disliked both candidates preferred hillarymp. there was a large segment, millions of voters who did not like either hillary clinton or donald trump and they broke dramatically for donald trump. there are many who still don't like joe biden and donald trump but they're almost all breaking, almost overwhelmingly breaking for joe biden. the depth of data that suggests that this race, if the race happened today, if we had an election day tomorrow, it's not tomorrow, but if we held the election tomorrow in america, joe biden would win. he'd not win narrowly. he'd win overwhelmingly in the popular vote and electoral college and if you get the people around donald trump who are not in total denial, the ones who have -- who are looking at their own data, they would acknowledge if the election were held tomorrow or next week that joe biden would win 375 electoral votes. that's how bad the situation is. nothing is over, though, because we've seen that in america in 2020, pretty much anything can happen. pretty much everything has happen
hillary clinton. people forget hillary clinton won the popular vote. she then takes over and completes her 2016 quest. -- my pick is stacey abrams. lewis in march -- mount laurel, new jersey. you are next. caller: good morning. i would definitely either vote , or ifisit with foreign , --ad to be a male elizabeth warren, or if it had to be a male -- elizabeth warren would have to be my choice, actually because i think there is balance between her and biden. balance the contrast of style that he has with what is going to be better for the people in the future. host: what is his style versus her style? caller: he seems more like a -- on theve conservative edge, where she has all of these new ideas that i think would benefit the country, and the working class people like myself. would work the two very well together. would work very well together. host: were you a war and supporter during the primaries? caller: yes, i was. from thee you warren get-go or did you come to her after? caller: after hearing her story, some of it came from nothing financially and built herself all the way up -- you know, just totally impressed me. i think she is a brilliant woman. i think she would definitely complement the president. in new jersey this morning. about 15 minutes left in this first segment of "washington journal," and we are talking to democrats only asking who should joe biden take as his vice president -- pick as his vice president. he has said august 1 as the date hopes to announce that pick. untiless than three weeks that pick, we are leaving the phones open to democrats. carl. indianapolis, indiana. you are next. caller: yes. his vice presidential pick should be alexandria ocasio-cortez. she is a street fighter, a new yorker, knows how to handle trump. woman, able to bring in bernie's voters, brings in excitement, which all the other picks don't bring, especially with his presidential cycle being a pain much online thing. she brings tremendous excitement. she is a minority and she is a liberal. what is more important, excitement or experience? i believe biden has all of the experience. he has been in the senate four years. he was vice president. he has all the experience. he knows how everything works and he knows how to be able to get things done. he already has that type of experience. he needs someone who will be able to excite the voters, especially with it being a pandemic, for people to risk their lives to be able to vote for him. host: carl in indiana. jennifer in texas. you are next. caller: how are you doing? thank you for taking my call. i kind of have a question. i love kamala harris. i would love to see her as a running mate. however, biden scares me because he is not cognitive enough to even form sentences. so what i am saying and what i am thinking is whoever takes the presidency -- if biden takes it -- excuse me, whoever his running mate is will ultimately be the one running the country, and that is something we need to be aware of. that is just how it is. jennifer, that last caller was talking about alexandria ocasio-cortez. caller: he is talking about excitement. these are people that are -- cortez -- imi guess it is a she. you don't need a vice president voters and that be there only asset. you need a vice president who will be able to stand up, handle stuff, not that she couldn't, amala has it over her -- whoever he is talking about. she is brilliant. i would love to see, especially a black woman. her drive is just phenomenal. honestly, the guy talking about the bible -- i missed what he said about trump following the bible or not following the bible. it is happening -- what is in the bible. you will not be what to buy, sell, trade, unless you have a marked, and the bible calls the mark of the beast. host: chris. laurel, maryland. caller: basically i think val demings, kamala harris, elizabeth warren, all of them are great. stacey abrams. but i do believe val demings. host: why val demings? caller: i like the way she talks. very intelligent. i think debates with vice president pence would be very intense and she would break them down. host: do you think her profile is high enough? obviously one of the impeachment managers, congresswoman from florida. the zenith of the country know enough about val demings? caller: i think enough did because they have seen the impeachment hearings and they have seen her personality. like i said, kamala harris would be great. if it is elizabeth warren, that might give trump and his people so much to talk about, the degrading names, even though it does not matter, but to certain people in the world it is, you know, it is just crazy right now. is cnn's chris -- putting val demings in his top five, saint she shot to prominence nationally thanks to a unique resume that includes a stint as the chief of police in orlando, however her time in that job has slowed momentum. fox recently noted, critics say she was part of a broader culture of policing. the orlando police department in pretend engaged in 20% more use of force incidents than baton rouge, a city of comparable size and population. she was previously at number four. she dropped to five on that list. guy in albuquerque. caller: good morning. my wife and i are both really big fans of susan rice as far as the pick for vice president goes. we are proud of the fact that michelle lujan grisham is on one of his lists. but we need people on the international level. that is why i'm going to go with susan rice as art peck. host: guy, talk a little bit about the governor's leadership in the state. are the parts of what she is doing in the state that you like? most impressively is the way she has handled the coronavirus here in new mexico, not only dealing with the majority of the population, but there is also the navajo nation that she is real concerned with, and from what i understand, is to bringt least federal funding to assist, navajo nation. albuquerque, and as far as i know, for the rest of the state. she has not fully opened the throttle on reopening it has even pulled back and issued a mandate that it is mandatory to be wearing a mask inside any .uilding i am not sure if she has done that for outside crowds as well. i think she has handled new mexico really well compared to the states that we are surrounded by. host: in anaren blank -- aaron blake's rankings of the most logical picks, he notes michelle lujan grisham might be the least known nationally, but he does andshe is the only latina it's reportedly been seriously vetted by the biden campaign. roger and you're next. caller: everyone is so gung ho about kamala harris, but you need to be aware of her process toward a record when she was state's attorney in california and how she actually sent a lot of latino and african-american men to jail under the three strikes you are out and initiative. that was initiated by president clinton and joe biden in the early-19 90's. i don't think she would be a good pick. people need to look at her record. if democrats don't watch out, trump will win again if he just pick someone that is just a woman of color. you also have a lot of credible latina women and native american women. it is not just african-american women, because a lot of them, unfortunately, have played the political game and have sold their own people up. be aware of that. skin folk are not always kinfolk. thank you. washington -- roger in washington, d.c.. caller: virginia. caller:my first pick would be kamala harris. she is smart. ce aink she would give pen run for his money, and to the person that said joe biden was missing a step and couldn't put two sentences together, have they watched president trump for the past three and a half years? he came down the escalator? this man is a danger to america and our allies. fathom what these people are hearing when they listen to this president. -- he is incapable. host: shelley in west virginia. a couple of more calls from democrats only to get your thoughts on who joe biden should get his running mate. philip out in a light. good morning. -- out in the l.a.. good morning. caller: hello. words thatto say two nobody is thinking about. michelle obama. i think she would be fantastic. host: why, philip? daniel is next out of phoenix, arizona. caller: good morning pat i'm actually in tucson. that is all good. thank you for your program. host: appreciate that, daniel. who do you think? caller: i was calling in a -- four stacey abrams and also against kamala harris because of her record for people -- putting people in jail because of marijuana. think stacey abrams has an impeccable record for fighting for voter rights in georgia. last that is daniel, our color in this first segment of "washington journal" today. if you want to come. the ground to next will be joined by tax foundation's karl smith, and later, dr. jeremy levin will be here to discuss how the biotech industry is helping in the fight against coronavirus. we will be right back. "thenight on communicators," democratic congressman mike doyle, also chair of the communication and commerce subcommittee, talked about social media and the effect of the coronavirus pandemic on telecommunications. >> when the people who run these platforms look at the culture they have created -- when you distance that exists that is chiefly being done by social media, it is crazy how you can identify political affiliation just based on certain actions and phrases you hear every day on the internet. >> congressman mike doyle tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern on >> watch our live daily unfiltered coverage of congress. the white house. on issues that matter to you. >> our ongoing efforts to focus on division, save lives, meet the needs of our health care workers. >> along with briefings on the coronavirus pandemic. and the latest from campaign 2020. be a part of the conversation every day with our live call-in program and if you missed any of our live coverage, watch any time on demand at c-span.org or listen on the go with the free c-span radio app. >> washington journal continues. host: carl smith joins us via zoom, he serves as vice president of the tech foundation . how can be used to spur economic recovery. remind folks what you do. it's an organization that educates the public on tax oficy and helps with members congress to develop tax policy. government.my and host: tax foundation.org is the website. as we look at recovery, it's now been four months since america started shutting down. 2.5 trillion dollars in response, at what point to restart focusing on long-term recovery as opposed to responding to immediate needs happening in the here and now. >> that's hard to say. i originally fell in the prices began around the end of the summer we would need to make a strong tilt towards longer-term growth. witty three-part approach to this, during the media crisis we need to divide businesses for households so that they could keep their payments, business is people on payroll. once those it passed. what's complicated that is there seems to be a second wave in cases. we don't know the response that. that happens, we may need to do more on the liquidity and. measures, in a lot of if we have new lockdowns in effect then it sibling not possible for most to take people back on the payroll to expand towards the future. we showed viewers that chart on appropriations for coronavirus response, a lot of this from the cares act and some of the other smaller acts passed by congress. you add them up and it's close to $2.6 trillion, the entire federal expenditure back in fiscal 2006 was $2.6 trillion. when did this level of spending start to catch up with us, especially if we are talking about potential more liquidity to get us through the year now? >> the unfortunate thing for us right now is interest rates on government debt are very low and the crisis sent them down even further. people became an -- afraid to invest in anything with risk associated with it. that gives us maybe a year or a couple of years of low interest rate while the crisis is here, but i would probably think we will see interest rates rising again may be in the next two to three years. that will become increasingly important toward sums of long-run plan. debt and u.s. national u.s. debt clock that c-span trillionften see at 26 and counting. you can see those numbers continue to rise in real time. how do we promote a post coronavirus recovery? what issue should be looking to -- should we be looking to? guest: our focus has been on restructuring the economy. there are a lot of things will probably have to change. unless the complete virus is gone and we have a vaccine or a series of vaccines. there are probably going to be new ways of doing business, still more remote business, retail locations will probably be larger, we may have less -- less office space. all of that's going to require new physical investment. cost recovery is various methods of expensing of making it easier to do new physical investments, to build new things. they will need to build things to make the economy resilient. is thatexpect to happen they're going to be a reworking of supply chains around the world. we think a lot of companies will take a second look at moving some of their operations to the united states or north america because the virus has interrupted the flow of trade around the world and made it so areas that are not under u.s. jurisdiction or control or a strong ally, we don't know what the responses can be. so measures that would help companies move investment back again. companies tollows deduct the full cost upfront. it's a very neutral plan, a lot of congressman like tax credits which they can target for very specific behavior. we are less a fan of that. people whoo reward have closer relationships with members of congress and encourage the kind of jockeying for special interest play. anyone who builds something physical in the united states, what we are going to do is instead of having it deduct over time, we will let you deduct that immediately. that will reduce the cost of investment and give you cash flow. we think that the most evenhanded way to speed things up. that's the plan for turning the corner on changing the structure of the economy. it will be a lot of difficult -- when it turns to how we are going to deal with this in the long run in general, we've advocated to the extent you want to look for new revenue sources, that we make them as broad-based as possible. it's possible tax increases that are well at of the minor in percentage terms can raise revenue that will make a significant impact on the debt. the more you concentrate on any reticular segment of the economy or on a group of taxpayers, the higher those rates will have to be. that's going to cause a disruption and will be especially difficult. carl smith and his group tax foundation advises congress on tax policy. if you have a question on the topic, now would be the good time to call in. 202-748-8000 free democrats, 202-748-8001 for republicans. 202-748-8002 for independents. we have our text messaging line, 202-748-8003. carl smith, you laid out your recovery plan here. tax hurdles that would keep the plan from being implemented? how much are we talking about changing tax policy and legislation to do so? >> the things we are putting forward are not that legislatively complex. congress and the tax cuts and jobs act had a provision to allow some forms of this type of expensing for equipment. what we rx -- suggesting is in the covid environment, what's as important as structures. buildings, office buildings, a new factory that might be built. we are asking for this kind of treatment to be used there. in terms of realty investment. concerns.some we've explained are laid out for congress neutral cost recovery which allows businesses to index their deductions over time and gives them the same economic treatment as full expensing. a brand-new office building can be an enormous one-time expense into fei company attempt to deduct that at once, they would have to carry that forward over time. that could also encourage companies like hedge funds or wall street firms to attempt to buy a building and use that as a deduction on what would otherwise be a large tax bill that doesn't really have anything to do with realty. it's a relatively technical , it has basically the same effect as the tax bonus expecting -- we passed. host: a few callers already. let's start in south carolina. steve, republican print --. caller: good morning. if you expected the conversation to go in this direction but i'm in a bring something up that's been dear to me for a long time and others around the country. i'm in favor of a consumption tax. we know it does away with the underground economy, under the present system, business owners andbuy nice trucks and cars hang a sign on them and depreciate them and use them on the weekends and take them home, they could buy a boat. and use them for recreation. rich people pay more taxes and buy bigger ticket items so there you to pay more taxes as they consume. and people who make less pay less taxes. it just seems a good common sense idea to me to level the playing field for all income levels. host: carl smith. guest: when we think about what we are going to have to do repay some of the cost of the virus and particularly if congress doesn't change the trajectory of entitlements or as many people are talking about expand entitlements come we made the point that consumption taxes are the only viable way to even attempt to -- some of this stuff. a lot of the times measures of congress especially ones who want to expand title months point to the size entitlements in europe in one of the points we've made his overtime europe is actually been lowering some of the taxes on business and they've been increasing their already relatively large reliance on consumption taxes. particular on the value added tax. it's like a sales tax but levied on the business prior to the sale rather than the consumer at point-of-sale. it's for essentially the reasons the caller outlined. the larger tax rates get, the more incentive there is to play games with the system to avoid taxes, even especially for businesses to leave the country or go somewhere else altogether to get out from under these. consumption tax, because they are so broad-based and hit everything, can have that impact. the rates will be a bit lower but i think that's probably where we have to go especially in this environment. thereher alternative out would just be very large income tax increases for business and especially their trying to concentrate it at the higher ends. they want to do that to spare people of the lower ends, but the more concentrated gets, the more just the higher the rates get. it becomes more and more difficult to shield the economy from the effects of raising this revenue. , theore broad-based it is lighter the overall impact can be and he can keep growth going. host: consumption tax, value added tax. james on twitters is the fair act -- fair tax makes too much sense. what do we mean by that? guest: usually people mean some sort of national sales tax. of theng at least all regular federal income and maybe -- with a national sales tax. ,rom an economic standpoint there is sense to an a consumption tax model. there are two issues with the fair tax. taxou put a very large 20% it would have to be on the consumer bring there is an enormous incentive for the retailer to get under -- get out from under that. the second thing you'd have to note is if you're putting the codee burden federal tax on a consumption tax, that would result in large increases for people at the lower end. not advocatede that or enforced the go that far. once we show most people the numbers, they are skeptical of that increase. you need to raise more men -- or if there are going to be more entitlement spending, the increase beyond this should probably be focusing some kind of consumption tax. michael, good morning, you are on. caller: good morning. i wanted to know that the cares act come what the effect you think it will have on the economy as a whole and i wanted since one of things that hurt us with the coronavirus ,hich came from another country could china reimburse our country for the financial ,ffects that it's had on us and i looked at the cares act legislation in here in pennsylvania, they've been flagging i think about 100,000 fraudants, citing either or not following rules relating to the cares act. program andnged the i was confused because the house and the senate passed the requirement of the cares act, how can states then go and give federal law those passed by the congress and signed by the midstream?nd change if i've changed after you applied, of course out people -- i would have people flagged. aest: the cares act had number of different provisions. the broadest was the rebate check that went out to most households. one thing we've seen, i don't know if this is with the caller is referring to. one thing we have seen our states have decided that the rebate checks that went out to underolds was taxable state encumbered that's caused some difficulty for some taxpayers either to file their taxes and didn't claim the cares in payment may have had their file flagged. largergram that's much that we are seeing more difficulties is paycheck protection program. that program essentially gives out loans to businesses if they are going to keep people on payroll. we had some administrative difficulties with that. there are so many businesses in so many different situations. when we think about what we are to do next, congress, at least we are hearing is there's probably going to be some sort of rebate in response to the increasing caseloads and the countryion part of the which shut down longer than expected. but there's more intense debate about what to do about the paycheck protection program and whether that should be extended or whether a simpler program should be put into place. on the one hand didn't require or have as many detailed requirements but on the other hand functions more like a pure loan. the paycheck protection program, if you had 90% of people of your payroll maintained through the period, if you fell under certain other guidelines. you would get the loan you took out forgiven. and so the structure of the program focused a lot on the forgiveness and making sure people got that. that made it, kid for everyone. some people just need a liquidity paid there is some talk of turning it more towards a pure loan that would be available for companies. we wouldn't have to be as significant -- specific about requirements you'd have to go through. easier might make things in the next round. those of the two programs i know that have had the most implementation difficulty. host: from companies to individuals, a lot of individuals in an effort to work from home have made a lot of investments to try and allow themselves to have the technology to work from home. is there any tax relief for those individual investments and workersion, there are who have to get in -- go in and some are getting hazard pay. any provision those workers should know about? >> being able to deduct the expenses you have for what you done at home, that is covered under the cares and under the includeslegislation that. or workers that are getting hazard pay. there is talk about congress funding hazard pay itself. there isure legislation that specifically addresses hazard pay that hasn't been administered by congress. i haven't heard about that in this one. i may have missed it but i don't recall that. host: this is john, and independent. do away with the federal tax return. use algorithms to track people's income. this is crazy when it cost the taxpayers and the federal government to implement the tax returns. the second question is i have a 401(k) or a 457. the first when he thousand in new york state is nontaxable. citizens, ther first 20,000 would not be taxable. thank you. i think in terms of the first 20,000 deeming the first two take out every year. there are proposals to do something like that. what we are generally discouraging is times of targeted to this particular program and originally there was going to be a program that would allow people to put away tax-free extra savings during the recovery in universal savings accounts. that kind of stuff i think we can think about as we are going forward maybe how to simplify the retirement system and roll of the 401(k)s and traditional iras into a single simplified saving system. coming up in a very short amount of time, new savings vehicles themselves are probably not the way. it's probably that are to go with broad-based. even some like the rebate checks. a lot of people had concerns may be people who didn't need them were getting them. the general simplicity of a program like that has a lot of use in a time like this. we seen that with a more targeted programs. irs, i thinkhe altogether unless we change tax code significantly, that's not realistic. more automatic filing is more realistic for some taxpayers. i think that's something we should consider. smith, should also note he is an opinion columnist with bloomberg. you can see his columns at bloomberg.com. one of your more recent columns has to do with what we are talking about when it comes to federal programs amid the pandemic. don't shame businesses were taking government money. what's the point? guest: the point there was a lot of businesses, it started out with businesses people thought , she shacko large got a lot of pushback for taking the paycheck protection program. when the government released the names of businesses that had taken the program a few weeks list,ou look for the kanye west company took money. when the more humorous example is the i'm rand -- was the ayn rand. my point was number one, shaming these businesses for taking these adds another hurtful on top of consideration. they already have a lot of requirements come do i qualify this, sverre apply for this, when you put the possibility there will be public pushback, that's good discourage more people. what we want to do right now is have as many businesses as our unnecessary. especially talking about the loan side of the provision. use the loan. these focused on various in loose ways, industries and suggesting those should've gotten funding. one of the congress when designing the program had a number of mcdonald's franchises in the program allowed multiple franchises to claim as separate businesses so if you on five mcdonald's. that made it easier for franchises and there some suggestion maybe this wasn't overly generous position -- proposition. i think that kind of stuff also limits availability of the program. to the extent we are making it easier for people to apply, that's good. what we should do. is look for examples of businesses who couldn't get the loans or couldn't get the forgiveness because they didn't understand how to apply for it. spending time trying to highlight cases where you think people shouldn't have applied only sort of reduces the effectiveness of the program. and will have the unintended consequences of some businesses being nervous about not only to the qualify technically we do the qualifying terms of how newspapers will look at them and how people judge them. that's what we don't want in the midst of a crisis. especially to, take as much of the loan portion as they need, their lease payments. layoff is few people as they can so that we start to rebuild come we don't have the crisis causing lots of disruption in employment or people having lost their business. that could've been avoided. there were and fund mental economic reasons going forward. beingwant as much of that is voided as we possibly can. the way to do that is to make it as simple as possible. ruth's chrisnk doesn't meet alone, they can make it, but if one of the things they do to make it is not have some of their part-time staffers or reduce their suppliers, that hurts people down the chain. that we can analyze all of and figure out how that's going. making things as broad-based as possible. take the loan come we will try to pay back when it's all done. we don't want artificial disruption to come in because of this. >> coming up on the east coast, time for more calls. first on the west coast, this is lucille out of l.a.. suggesti would like to during this pandemic that maybe the government would ok a write off for those living on credit card debt. maybe some of the interest could be applied. so many companies have closed. and they closed down. people are desperate, their living of the credit card debt. a lot of credit card companies turned into banks once we had that recession in 2008. i think it's time to look towards those that are really struggling. there are some people paying their medical expenses by credit card. i certainly understand that. that is part of the motivation we have come we had originally , probably weut will do some like that again is to help people who have unique circumstances. what's difficult is we try to focus our efforts on one knowcular group, we don't the consequences that will come from all of that. something like allowing people to deduct their credit card interest. if you think about that, it's only going to affect people who have heavily credit card debt and also have significant tax liability. probably the people struggling the most are people who lost their job and don't have any tax liability. and so it sort of check to get them by would be more effective yourn general, circumstance where it occurs to you but in general trying to identify here is one thing and it's the only thing we should go for. is not a good idea. it should be as broad as possible. across taxpayers. and so people who don't have tax liability now, how do we help them, people who consider going to their credit cards are going to their tax. they have a lot of tax saving come plenty to use a retirement or other things. how do we do something for them? catchesad-based rebate people in all those categories. thean't alleviate all of debt everyone has. but making it broad-based gives us some ability to help everybody through a little bit. i think that's probably the best way to go. this is mark out of michigan. caller: thank you. i'm looking at restructuring. , which saidtrump hillaryun for president. we had trump take the million-dollar taxpayer right off. hillary, she was in a raise taxes on the rich but there's so many tax write-offs that it would mean anything. how do we restructure our tax money down on the deficit rather than letting the politicians bar ourselves to death? the concept is, i want to it prorated tax, a five-year tax cycle. for everyone who's working. we'll have a chance to not pay federal taxes for one year. which was mean they would be saving, they would be receiving 1/5 of what every they were expecting to pay in the city, state and down. they would get 1/5 of it back, they can spend or save or keep it if they want to. art -- are to be taxed more. on a 7, 10 or 15 year cycle. for years nonconsecutive. they will only be charged 70% of their income. the rest of the three or whatever years left overcome 100% of their income would be taxed, but 70% goes down on the debt and/or natural disasters. taxdo we fit that into our scheme? >> thanks for br
and the president's opponent, joe biden, is very different from hillary clinton, and his abilities are far higher than hillary clinton'sere. you have seen a number of people around the president who have been egging him on to embrace the culture war and now he has. >> john, i want to ask you a question because you covered the campaign and you covered the white house, and i was speaking to somebody today for the first time in many years didn't feel so bullish on the president's re-election prospects, and that was the first time i had heard something like that from somebody so close to the campaign and the president. are you hearing the confidence you heard in 2016 or throughout this administration, or have things -- has the tone changed for your conversations? >> it has changed somewhat. look, to a person involved in the white house and the campaign, they point that there's still time left and they are right about that, still four months to go. they liked the jobs numbers, and they believe there are twists and turns we can't foresee going forward, and joe biden, him being off stage is beneficial for the democrats at thi
you know, for instance, also he just admitted he knew hillary clinton direct wily knew about the dossier. why isn't hillary clinton durham? i just fear -- lou: i think it's a great question. why in the world -- [inaudible conversations] >> go ahead. lou: i was just going to say i would agree if you called for an investigation. i mean, this is a woman who turned over 20% of iranian, effectively -- uranium, effectively, to the russians. i mean, the obama administration has much to answer for and not -- there are no answers at this point. and the reason there are no answers is that they have put up a magnificent, bright, shiny stone wall, and the left-wing media has let it stand and so has the republican party, i might add. you get the last are word here, tom. make it as long as you wish. >> well, you know, i think this conversation highlights what we're facing. we want, you know, there's this hope that something's done, frustration nothing's done and, lou, i'll give credit to you, i'll give credit to some of your colleagues over there at the networks and, obviously, judicial watch has been doing a lot of this. much
begins, with donald trump lying and saying that four years ago hillary clinton never accepted the results of the election. hillary clinton called donald trump on election night and conceded victory to donald trump on the phone that night, but apparently no one at fox knows that because when donald trump tells that lie, chris wallace, inexplicably says, i agree >> and you know what, she's the one that never accepted it. >> i agree. >> she never accepted her loss and she looks like a fool. >> can you give a direct answer, you will accept the election >> i have to see. >> speaker nancy pelosi crushed that nonsense this morning on "morning joe". >> just because he might not want to move out of the white house doesn't mean we won't have an inauguration ceremony to inaugurate a duly-elected president of the united states there is a process it has nothing to do with the certain occupant of the white house doesn't feel like moving and has to be fumigated out of there. >> the fume gators are the secret service, not the american military which has no role in the transition of power from one president to another no one has to wonde
hillary clinton winning. in fact, i came on national tv and said hillary clinton was goings to get 330 electoral votes. she ended up losing although she did get 65 million votes to his 62 million votes. so it's a -- this is a long way to go. and joe biden, the interesting thing, let me be clear, the interesting thing is that joe biden simply cannot say that he's not donald trump. he cannot say that donald trump is a racist and expect people just to show up and vote for him. he's going to have to give people a reason to come out and vote for him. he's going to have to give them a reason to cast the ballot for joe biden. the next four months are really important not just for this election but for the future of our country. >> so you don't feel he's doing that at this point? >> i think he's doing a good job, but we can't take our foot off the gas. we still have a long way to go. again, we're not saying president hillary clinton are we? my advice to joe biden is to continue to run through the tape because we have a long way to go. >> bacarri sellers, thank you so much for talking with us. appreciate it. >> thank you so much for having me. >>> one way scientists say we could fight the coronavirus pandemic is with herd immunity, but when we come back we want to show you a study that shows and indicates that might be very difficult. we're back in a moment. so, you t investing today wherever you are - even hanging with your dog. so, what are you waiting for? download now and get your first stock on us. robinhood. i got this mountain bike for only $11. dealdash.com, the fair and honest bidding site. an ipad worth $505, was sold for less than $24; a playstation 4 for less than $16; and a schultz 4k television for less than $2. i won these bluetooth headphones for $20. i got these three suitcases for less than $40. and shipping is always free. go to dealdash.com right now and see how much you can save. you d
young people who were supposed to vote overwhelmingly for hillary clinton and did not that is the question, joe biden is worse than hillary clinton a lot of issues. >> we are still in the midst of coronavirus knows what will happen in the next few months, we will keep tabs on it and following the money, a quick note to everyone at home if you're paying attention joe biden's race $141 million in june, $282 million and quarter 2 and donald from 132 million in june, 236. keep an eye on that run as always, thank you for joining us, we appreciate it. it is 20 minutes until the top of your, the president setting the record straight. >> i'm all for masks if i were in a group of people and i was close -- >> you would wear when? >> i have. >> it comes as the debate rages over whether the us needs a math mandate? doctor dr. nicole saphier answers that next. >> i'm all for masks, if i were in a group of people and i was close. >> you would wear one. >> i have. people and see me wearing one but i had a mask on and said i like the way i looked. >> the president responding to his face covering critics of the record straight on his stand on mas
hillary clinton was in the white house. i said what if we want to hillary clinton and just asked her to lone us her wedding dress. and it was such a crazy idea and we did it and sure enough, she said, yes, and they had to find it in some storage unit in arkansas. but that really was wonderful because it's kind of set a precedent for this. it was so generous of mrs. trump to lone that dress. but the others are reproductions, of course, of the smithsonian collection and the collection we borrowed it from, which is the eisenhower presidential library museum, only has the collection going up to barbara bush. so there's nothing of hillarylinton's, laura bush's or michelle obama's. >> next question. >> this was very good. thank you very much. i wondered because jackie was famous for her pillbox hat and pat nixon came along and there were no more hats worn by -- at least in the display here, by pat nixon or betty ford. is that the time period of no more hats? >> you are very observant and very spot-on correct. because pat nixon, lady bird johnson wore a hat, famously, to her husband's 1965 inauguration, the swearing in ceremony where she was the first to hold the bible, pat nixon decided against it. she did not want to wear a hat. and that set a precedent. i'm glad you mentioned it. there's only so much you can mention, but there's a lot of little things that mrs. nixon did in terms of her choices of what she wore that indicated this really frankly independent streak, that she was going to do things her way. and the hat started back again with hillary clinton, but it was as a sun protector. so it's funny, hillary was inv
hillary clinton's at this exact point in the race for years ago. for that, by dennis had less than seven points in the real clear politics coverage, 2.6. if four months out from the 2016 election, hillary clinton was ahead more than three points in the sunshine state. michigan, biden's advantage is less then eight. if hillaryead was over 18 points there and wisconsin, biden's edges just over six points and at this point year four years ago, biden led by four points. mount rushmore celebration tonight, charlie kirk, founder and president of turning point usa. if joined by jessica tarlov, fox news contributor. if yes, the president is behind, jessica, but as he heard he was behind at this point for years o and came back to win into. it is this a similar situation potentially this time around? >> it's absolutely a similar situation potentially but joe biden is in a better position than hillary clinton was four months out. if the numbers you read are absolutely correct and i appreciate were talking about the averages of the real clear politics average in comparison to the polls. if resident trumpet further underwater this time around and joe biden is up 26 points with women and most crucially, open over ten points with seniors. there is no path to the white house for a republican without winning seniors by a o
for instance, also, admitted he knew that hillary clinton directly knew about the dossier and what he was up to. why isn't hillary clintonstioned? >> i think that is a great question. i was just going to say, i would agree with you. if you called for an investigation. this is a woman who turned over 20% of, you know, uranium, effectively, to the russians. you know, i mean, the obama administration has much to answer for. there are no answers at this point. the reason there are no answers is they put a magnificent bright's shiny stone wall in the left-wing media has let it stand and so has the republican party, i might add. you get the last word, tom. make it as long as you wish. >> i think this conversation highlights what we are facing. there is this hope that something is done. frustration that nothing is done. luke, i will give credit to you and to some of your colleagues over there at the networks. judicial watch has been doing a lot of this. much of what we know is a result -- lou: you had the two important ones. [laughter] >> that's right. much of what we know today is not because of the justice department and ig,