i beat hillary clinton ra, ,sii not even saying from the standpoint, we won that race.t's a shame that there could be a little bit of a cloud over it. people know that. people underand it the main thi i as negative impactoll z uponp the relatiorgth otf neuc world. ha you knot else is negative impact in thela tionship with russia? a syriaiod and attempts to interfere with our own onelecti putin also an with chrisalla put wan ap see the evidence becaurentlye is not enough >> i have here the indictment that was presented on friday nsom the special robel couert mueller that said tha 12 members of russian military intelligence, the gru and talks specifically about units 26165 and 74455, they say -- youtmile me finish, they say that these units wereci specally involved in hacking into democratic party computers, stealing information and spreading ito the world to try to disrupt the american election. may i give this to you to look at, sir? >> p consideringin basicallily said scary you indictment, i don't think he'll expediteny russians m dieted byueller and chris wallacels a

ra raises. the meeting is important not because they colluded with the russians. they got dirt on hillary clinton in the meeting. it would show an intent to cooperate with russian sources to sabotage the hillary clinton campaign. now, if there were other acts later on, this would be the intent and the other acts would fill out the collusion theory. so you can't rule this out as evidence of collusion. it could be the start of collusion the there is other evidence. >> josh, the president tweeted this yesterday, i did not know of the meeting with my son don junior. it sounds like someone is making up stories to get himself out of an unrelated jam. >> that does not sound like someone who can count on a pardon anymore. is there a risk for the are the there? there are a lot of people saying, he will pardon cohen. cohen will not cooperate. this does thought sound like that pardon could happen. is there a risk for president trump in kind of making that known in. >> well, i would say yeah he issing a only inning the risk that already exists. he didn't make the risk. the risk started when michael cohen dec

hillary clinton. he said sure, let me k how it goes. if that is true, where does that get what is our end point there?at doesn't prove criminality. it proves poor judgment. it proves ra sophistication within his campaign organization. normally these russians would come in off the street and meet with extremely low-level people, not top level -- oh, my gosh, it's out of a daniellva novel, it's so unsophisticated. >> that's high praise. >> which is what i keep -- yeah, it is high phrase. but that'see what i thinking of it as. but still if the moment comes oere we findin trump knew about this meeting, wat does at mean? >> you know, first of all, we've heard this kind of denial, right? so on air force one when he denied the payment to stormy daniels and then giuliani comes out and wee realize lying. so he lies a lot, donald trump. so to ask who's telling the truth between cohen and trump is like askingho's the more trustworthy in the mob, right? sammy the bull ors ty. that's not really the issue. the issue is the evidence, that's the question, the evidenng. what is b put on the table here. and what i think cohen's tape reveals is intent. and the difficult part about the