it wouldn't have been as big a film then if it would've had someone some other than hillary swank in it. that's just an example. the really at each other's throats and self-defeating tactics that some of these activists are embracing i think because of the influence of intersectionality. >> host: charles murray invited to middlebury college. he and the professor invite him both injured. >> guest: thank you right. literally attack. they were physically assaulted by protesters who thought it was so important to stop over suppoo be a debate, a debate between marie and i left this center perspective. they don't want that to happen. when interviewed for the book and i said don't you think you make charles murray or where what is more sympathetic if you're shutting them down and using violence against them? don't you think your driving people towards them? they say we are about safety. we are keeping the marginalized people in our community safe from harm of charles murray's words and views. if he's allowed to come and speak we have contributed to the emotional or mental unrest of the peop