they want a seat at the table during hillarycare and they finally got one with obamacare.t took them a few years to do that but that was one of those teachable moments for me. i realized big business is very much part of the coalition of insiders that colludes against the american people. >> host: milton friedman once said the social responsibility of the corporations to maximize its profits. doesn't this create a problem for libertarians in the way for general electric to maximize its profit is to lobby for the lightbulb law which forces people to buy their higher profit margin things? do you think the social responsibility for corporations to maximize its profits or do you lobby for a product that doesn't maximize profits? >> guest: i think shareholder activism is a legitimate form of fighting the power. you shouldn't show up to town hall meetings with the congressman if a company is using their cozy relationship with government typically frankly to screw consumers. you should show up and i do think that in westbury decentralized world we live in people have a lot of pow

moynihan in the 103rd congress when he introduced the clinton health care package sometimes called hillarycare, here's what it said. nothing in this title should be construed to prevent any employer from contributing to the purchase of a standards benefits package which excludes coverage for abortion or other services if the employer objects to such services on the basis of a religious belief or moral conviction. can't get much clearer than that. the government, according to senator schumer, when the religious freedom restoration act was introduced, said the government shall not substantially burden a person's exercise of religion even if the burden results in a rule of general reliability unless it states that one, it is in the furtherance of compelling governmental interest. or, two, is the least restrictive means of furthering that governmental interest. this is not the law, the affordable care act, that people aren't exempted from. in fact, every woman in america and every man in america that works for an employer who has fewer than 50 people is exempted from this act. their entire -- ther