consultancy and its global health care consulting business unit, hillco health. and by the mattson mchail foundation in support of public television. and also by mfi foundation, improving the quality of life within our community. and also by the alice clayburg reynolds foundation and viewers like you. thank you. >> i'm evan smith. this week one of the still new century's brightest foodie stars, a former prolific writer for the normal times, a editor of the "new york times" magazine, the co-creator of the blog food 52 and the author of several books that pivot off of a love of cooking and eating. her latest book just published is the essential "new york times" cook boofnlgt she's amanda hesser. this is overheard. >> amanda hesser, welcome. >> thank you so much. >> hardly know where to begin. there are more than a thousand recipes in this book? >> that's right. >> and you cooked every one of them. >> oh yeah, and moore. >> are you sick of cooking at this point? >> i'm not. well, i took six years to do it. so... >> but still, even if you do the math it seems like a

consultancy and its global health care consulting business unit, hillco health. and by the mattson mchail foundation in support of public television. and also by mfi foundation, improving the quality of life within our community. and also by the alice clayburg reynolds foundation and viewers like you. thank you. >> i'm evan smith. he's a celebrated advocate and activist on behalf of the environment conservation and responsible stewardship of the planet. a graduate of harvard university, he's chief prosecuting attorney for the hudson riverkeeper and president of the waterkeeper alliance - watchdog organizations dedicated to protecting the water supply for communities everywhere. he's robert f. kennedy jr. this is overheard. ♪ >> robert f. kennedy, jr., welcome. >> thanks for having me. >> very, very, very nice to have you here. i want to begin by nodding to the calendar as we sit here taping this interview. it's earth day. i want to ask you why we have to have an earth day. why is every ddy not earth day? why do we have to turn it into a once a year recognition of

consultancy and its global health care consulting business unit, hillco health. and by the mattson mchail foundation in support of public television. and also by mfi foundation, improving the quality of life within our community. and also by the alice clayburg reynolds foundation and viewers like you. thank you. >> i'm evan smith. he's an activist, academic and author who is one of the true icons of the american civil rights movement. a ten-term veteran of the georgia legislature, he helped found the student nonviolent coordinating committee and served as president of the southern poverty law center, and chaired the board of the naccp for more than a decade. he's julian bond. this is overheard. ♪ >> julian bond, welcome. >> thank you. >> an honor to have you here. >> my pleasure. >> let me ask you about the arc of your involvement in the civil rights movemeet, which i assume you believe continues today. >> indeed so it does. >> you go back to the late 50's when you were a student in college when you helped to found the student non-violent coordinating committee.

consultancy and its global health care consulting business unit, hillco health. and by the mattson mchail foundation in support of public television. and also by mfi foundation, improving the quality of life within our community. and also by the alice clayburg reynolds foundation and viewers like you. thank you. >> i'm evan smith. he's a celebrated academic, an acclaimed author, and an energetic activist whose great cause is rights and freedoms in the digital sphere, but he's also increasingly an advocate for accountability and transparency in institutions, and for the quaint notion of the public trust. he's lawrence lessig. this is overheard. >> lawrence lessig, welcome. >> thank you for having me. >> very nice to see you. >> it's great to see you. >> let me go broad with the first question here >> okay. >> and ask you whether the public good is a nonstarter conceptually these days? i mean obviously it's a real thing. it's a defined term of economics. we know there is such thing as a public good. but is it possible to work for the public good or to believe in th