funding for overheard with evan smith is provided in part by the alice kleberg reynolds foundation, hillco partners, a texas government affairs consultancy, and by claire and carl stuart. - i'm evan smith. she covered donald trump's presidential campaign in 2016 for nbc and msnbc, and lived to tell about it. her memoir of her time on the trail, unbelievable, has just been published and it's already a new york times bestseller. she's katy tur, this is overheard. (easy listening music) let's be honest, is this about the ability to earn, or is this about the experience of not having been taught properly? how have you avoided what has befallen other nations in africa? and you could say that he'd made his own bed, but you caused him to sleep in it. you'd saw a problem and, over time, took it on. let's start with the sizzle before we get to the steak, are you gonna run for president? i think i just got an f from you, actually. (audience laughter) (applause) katy tur, welcome. - thanks for having me. - so good to see you, congratulations on the book, it's so great. - thank you! - i love this book, and the