[female announcer] funding for overheard with evan smith is provided in part by hillco partners, a texas government affairs consultancy, the alice kleberg reynolds foundation, claire and carl stuart, and by entergy. [evan smith] i'm evan smith. he's one of fiction's rising stars. his debut novel "there there" was called "an american epic" by the new york times and has won raves from coast to coast. he's tommy orange, this is overheard. [smith] let's beonest. is this about the ability to learn or is this about the experience of not having been taught properly? how have you a what has befallen other nations in africa? you could say that he made his own bed, but you caused him to sleep in it. you a problem and over time took it on. let's star wwith the sizzle befoget to the steak. are you gonna run for president? i think i just got an f from you, actually. this is overheard. (audiencapplause) [smith] tommy orange, welcome. [tommy orange] thank you for having me. [smith] thank you very much for being here. sove the book. i wanna talk all about the book and talk all about you, but i wanna tal

[female announcer] funding for overheard with evan smith is provided in part by hillco partners, a texasernment affairs consultancy, the alice kleberg reynolds foundation, claire and carl stuart, and by entergy. [evan smith] i'm evan smith. he's one of fiction's rising stars. his debut novel "there there" was called "an american epic" by the new york times and has won raves from coast to coast. he's tommy orange, this is overheard. [smith] let's beonest. is this about the ability to learn or is this about the experience of not having been taught properly? how have you a what has befallen other nations in africa? you could say that he made his own bed, but you caused him to sleep in it. you a problem and over time took it on. let's star wwith the sizzle befoget to the steak. are you gonna run for president? i think i just got an f from you, actually. this is overheard. (audiencapplause)