. >> you talk about hillsdale ollege being for abolition early.then you went to boston to get your degree and you're writing about frederick douglass. this is in the north. you write in your book, only after the whites were served communion did the presiding clergyman invite the black members of the church. douglass observed that they looked like black sheep who had been penned in the corner. that is in boston. during his lifetime. >> racism was not reserved to the south. that is what douglas found out. he escaped after a harrowing adventure. he was on the eastern shore of maryland. he was sent out to one of the terrible slave breakers. he resisted that man in a physical confrontation. after that, that slave breaker never touched him. he had to come to a moral conversion and a spiritual conversion. one that left him free to go on and recognize that religion didn't have to be a bad thing. it didn't have to be that which justified slavery. that is all that they had known. it gave sanction to his slaveowners. when he escaped north to new bedford and