sarah palin just interviewed here downtown by vaughn hillyard. let's play a little bit of your interview with sarah palin and talk to you on the other side. this is exclusive. >> again, i have a lot of respect for his maverick nature, he going rogue which it would have been going rogue more on the common sense conservative side of some issues but, no, i certainly have respect for many of the things that he's accomplished and so much respect for his family. i love his wife. cindy is just awesome. my husband has a great relationship with cindy, they keep in touch and meghan and i, kept in touch with her, too, so you know, i just -- i just wanted to be good and positive and comforting and okay for our senator. he's been my friend so i'm going remember the good times. so it's sad to hear he and/or someone speaking for him does have regrets. i want to live my life without any regrets and i hope he finds that kind of peace and contentment also to be able to look back on decisions and realize really things work out the way they're supposed to work out a

there he didn't hillyard noted there are only two people who have been jailed for the torture program not the cia agents that conducted them but cia whistle blower john kiriakou and now former cia officer robert gover can our country really expect the rest of the world to follow our example with such blatant hypocrisy we're not watching the hawks here looking in the mirror at our patriotic selves. but that's. what. we. welcome everybody to watch in the hall. and i am actually banks and we have been with us former cia officer rethink you so much for joining us today now do you think the appointment of gina housefull as cia director is a worse than our former d.c.i. john brennan who was deputy executive director of the cia overseeing many black sites while she was only overseeing one now wasn't she just following orders when administering enhanced interrogation techniques. well the choice my german friends would would say it's a choice between pest. played caller ok now john brennan. he was on the routing for all the torture memos ok he publicly defended kid and while we say rendering k

there he didn't hillyard noted there are only two people who have been jailed for the torture program not the cia agents that conducted them but cia whistleblower john kerry and now former cia officer ray mcgovern can our country really expect the rest of the world to follow our example with such blatant hypocrisy we're not watching the hawks here looking in the mirror at our patriotic. with. us former cia officer re thank you so much for joining us today now do you think the appointment. of gina house for as cia director is a worse than our former d.c.i. john brennan who was deputy executive director of the cia overseeing many black sites while she was only overseeing what now wasn't she just following orders when administering enhanced interrogation techniques. well choice my german friends would would say it's a choice between pest. plague and cholera ok now john brennan. he was on the routing for all the torture memos ok he publicly defend the kid while we say rendering kidnapping people off the streets of europe and sending them to the egypt since he was fully cognisant of thing

vaughn hillyard was out on phenomenon ten -- >> trey gouty. >> youia.n tennessee talking to trump people at the rally. they believe this. they believe there was a spy, that the justice department is corrupt. >> i think the dispute over whether a confidential human informant can be characterized as a spy is a little bit of a distraction. >> you know that's not the story. what he is saying is infiltrate. >> right. >> he is trying to int paint this as something that's' not. >> i agree with that. there is no evidence that there was an attempt to undermine the trump campaign through the abuse of law enforcement and counter-intelligence. that i think is right. but too much of this debate has gotten hung up on the terminology question of pie versus something else. >> this gets at what should we stop covering? the minute he weapon on this. we had a meeting, it is a bs story that's going to go away in five days. yet it will still leak out there and in the meantime he is trying to distract from the erik prince story or this -- you know, we knew this was what it w

nbc's vaugh hillyard joins me now from dallas, texas. set the scene for us. what's it like there? >> it's been quite a 2018, stephanie, hasn't it? the president and vice president are going to be here today in dallas. more than 80,000 attendees expected at the nra convention. both the president and the vice president will speak. should know, back in february, recall when the president was talking about members of congress being the ones petrified of the nra. just a couple weeks after that meeting at the white house with those members of congress, it was the president who met with the top lobbyists of the nra and his tune has changed quite a bit since then. today with very little actual legislation actually passed to i guess appease a lot of the gun control calls by the young students across the country as well as those just talking for things like expanded background checks or increasing the age from 19 to 21 years old for being able to buy semiautomatic weapons. there's been very little in terms of actual action against what the nra called for. >> specifically, the president spea

joining us now, editor at large for the "weekly standard" bill kristol and vaughn hillyard.e president pence said he did not have any knowledge of the president's personal attorney michael cohen having so in corporate contracts. this is a familiar refrain from vice president mike pence that he gaves that reaganesque head shake and says i didn't know, i didn't have knowledge of. it's a pattern for pence, isn't it? >> welly, vice president pence says the investigation should shut down but over the last year what have we heard from him? essentially pleading ignorance to knowing anything around the investigation at all. here's a couple of the interviews from the last year. >> well general flynn's son has no involvement in the transition whatsoever. >> he has a transition e-mail. >> well, he has no involvement in the transition whatsoever. >> so you are saying as the head of the transition that minute's son is not involved at all in the transition. >> he's not. i joined this campaign in the summer and i can tell you all the conduct by the trump campaign and associates was with th