sword hilt. if you've seen swords, it's the basket, you know, you'll grab the sword here, and then the blade will come out this direction. it protects the individual if the other -- you know, the other individual went slashing -- tried to slash his hand, the hand guard will protect the hand. we found a number of those. >> i'm dan gamble and i'm one of the conservators here at jamestown. and been here for about 11 years. this is michael lavin at the air abrasion unit. he is our senior conservator. and right now he is working on a sword hilt. and the process that he's doing right now is called air abrasion. and basically what it is, it's a mini sandblaster. and instead of sand, we use aluminum oxide, and he's removing the rust from that artifact. you can see the big chunks of rust there are coming down to a darker layer which we call the magnatite layer, that's the last true form of that objection. all the heavy rust will be removed to that layer. we use air abrasion probably the most out of all th

and right now, he's working on a sword hilt. and the process that he's doing right now is called air abrasion. and basically, what it is is it's a mini sand blaster, and instead of sand, we use aluminum oxide. and he's removing the rust from the artifact. you can see the big chunks of rust there are coming down to a darker layer, which we call the magnified layer. that's the last true form of that artifact. so all of the rust, the heavy rust, will be removed. we use air abrasion probably most out of all of the operations in conservation. and it's mostly used for just iron. we do everything from sword hilts, which you have here, to pieces of armor, to tools, to sarious other things. but it's the safest way to remove the rust that we had found. you can see that he's being very careful. he's not shooting directly at the artifact but is kind of shooting off to the side. and the rust is coming off somewhat easily, but it takes a little bit of work, a little bit of patience, and a lot of skill. takes a long time to develop the skills

the idea that we can all do fine if the rich make a lot of money and if they leverage to the hilt, wellhat's not the way it works. we'll all do worse when the rich do very, very well when they leverage to the hilt, then we end up having to borrow either through the public sector or individuals have to borrow just to stay afloat. then we find ourselves in deep trouble. that's what is happening to homeowners all over the country. we ought to be making exactly that point. public leverage is one thing but the private leverage that bain capital and others have created greats much more mischief. >> eliot: real quick, how do you push back against this desire of false equivalent say that you criticize one then you have to cite size the other. other than to state what is fact and what is clear. you came up with a clever phrase. how do you push back. >> i think it's important that we call it out every time it happens. booker was an egregious example of comparing racist association with a jobs record, but it happens every single day. i think that you as the media are going to find people tuning ou

brandon came in hilting in the- - hitting in the .100s from detroit and he is on fire.e has 4 home runs, 16 rbis in 5 games. 11-4 a's. they are a game ov.5 -- over .500. giants aren't pretty good. today in arizona. they are winning a 8 game win streak. the giants have a 1-0 lead but brandon is having a tough time. he isn't hitting. i don't know. there it is. error. giants leading 35 errors on the season. paul is supposed to be a bopper. there it goes. that is it. 5-1 diamondbacks. they beat the giants for the 9 9th straight time and san francisco a couple games under .500. nba, los angeles teams, tomorrow night lakers host denver and the clippers and memphis are going 7. griffon going to work here. setting up jordan. a lead for the clips. with a win they would have wrapped it up. but no. randolph, 18 points, 16 rebounds for randolph. 23-9 for gasol. 90-88. sunday in memphis, the 7th and decider. there is the king. a lot of people want to mock this young guy but three mvps for lebron james. he was named today. they only players with more -- three or more -- jabar with si

hilts his crew member, damaging his right wing. leaves the pits.hits the wall as a result of his affected wing, taking out will power, who won the previous three races coming in. unbelievable. a wild day. dixon passes franchitti. the 30th lead chase. franchitti takes the lead on the final lap. sato spins out trying to pass franchitti, ashley judd knows about that, and in victory lane franchitti honored his friend dan wheldon with the white sun grasses and fond memories. >> to be on the trophy to say, dan, that's more important. >> what a day at indy. >> the quaints staged a hit parade against the marlins and all came from one guy, melky cabrera. tired of losing to the marlins and he says, i got this. unloads. top first. solo shot. fourth. 1-0 giants. so sixth. 2-1. cabrera was 4-4, 73 hits on the season. motor in -- most in the majors. also scored two bases. scored all three run, the third off this buster posey rbi double. that was enough for cain and he was abel. giants get a split in miami with the 3-2 victory. >> alex rod secretion the yankees c

lincecum takes a good hilt. left the game after a four-run inning. reddick with man on, that's gone. 11th of the year. a's end an 11-game slide near san francisco with the 6-2 victory. >> i feel like i'm pretty focused throughout the whole game. just a matter of executing pitches, and i haven't been doing that. so makes me pay for my mistakes and the walks are adding to it. so the thing i can take care of is be more aggressive throughout the game. >> been swept here so that was huge, coming here to break the sweep this year. years past, and now just take a win in the home stand and have a team come in we played well against in the past. >> mike: what do you get when you combine athleticism and lunacy? the 101st bay-to-breakers. 7.46-mile race started with over 150,000 people. no wonder timmy struggled. he ran the bay-to-breakers this morning. elvis is in the house. not considered a formal affair. and garth from wayne reside world. party on, dude, and you can't have a 12k without gumby. the ethopian won 25 grand for that. 7 grand for the women's title

from from the hilt n. alleged violation has occurred and are currently investigating it further. we take all such matters seriously and are reviewing our procedures and policies. >>> with three violations, the hilton faces a liquor board hearing and that is expected to happen in june. >>> coming up tomorrow night at 11:00, we don't know too many patients who would want their children exposed to a morgue, but to one group of troubled teens, it's a no holds bar reality check. a tactic to save their lives. that's coming up tomorrow at 11:00. >>> in tonight's health alert, searching for the secrets of alzheimer's disease. the obama administration announced to have a treatment in place by 2025. >> we've made considerable progress. what we know is a lot more needs to be done. it needs to be done right now because people with alz heimer disease and their -- alzheimer's disease and their loved ones and care gives need herrera help now eye -- need help now. >> they say hundreds of members of this extended family we

take a look at the navy aresponse to the criticism, the entire navy has backed that program to the hilt, from the top to the bottom. >> even though you're a lockheed adviser. >> i'm not a navy adviser. and everybody in the navy is supporting that ship. that ship isn't going anywhere. >> let me ask you about afghanistan now. since the last time we met, the president has said that the united states is going to stay until 2024. that's sends a message to america's allies that america isn't going to cut and run after this. however right it may be, that's going to be political tenable. >> i don't think anybody knows what's going to happen in 2024. predictions difficult, especially as what mark twain said about the future. my view on afghanistan is we'll be out of there in the middle of 2013 except for advisers and we'll save some advisers behind, do some training and quickly that program will not have support in the congress of the united states. >> there is some regrets on both sides of the aisle about the inability to reach an agreement in iraq and have some sort of long-term presence that

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well that hilt girl that you sue she'll be coming here her name is pat thompson and so will jack evans. they were young people then. he was 17 years old. he was on the uss tennessee and she was 10 years old they were at the last dance on december 6 lt, called the battle of music and won the jitterbug contest. when you come into the museum you can see the trophy she donated to us. the picture of rudy martinez probably the first mexican american killed in world war ii. he was a young sailor from san diego, california, who is still entombed in the ship. he didn't survive. harry pang was a young firefighter and a hoseman for the honolulu fire department and he was killed by japanese aircraft when he was trying to put out the fires at the hangars. there were three firemen killed during the raid and harry pang was one of those. when we think of the firemen of new york, i often think of the firemen of honolulu. our last exhibit leads us into the greater pacific war theme. and when you think about this, probably the next thing we need to look at is how do we broaden our story about world war i

next to it in a blacksmith shop site that are marked by the posts we found more than two dozen sword hilts. found just as one of our most interesting visitors showed up, the queen of england. in may of 2007. she came down. walked down the stairs which are right behind you there and looked at that site. and we're finding all these arms and armor, and i was supposed to take her around one-on-one and make sure she had a reflective moment about the history of jamestown. so, i thought, well, i got to come up with something. i was pretty nervous. so, i said, we're looking at the swords and maryann was actually working on them at the time and said, well, this is the first time that this english equipment has seen the light of day in 400 years. i thought, what if she says i would like to have them back, thank you, it still belongs to us. not really, though. anyway, and what we're doing right now, maryann and don, maybe you could tell us what you're up to. >> okay. what you're kind of looking at is the footprint for one of the post-and-ground structures that were shown over there at the other part

suggested to me was that both sides had decided to be rather calm, not exaggerate, not play it up to the hilt and put fingers in the eyes of the others. and actually, i think in a rather business-like manner they worked out the dilemma. >> yeah. >> and i think that was very, very significant. and i think it took immense restraint, particularly on the side of china. and as you note that at one point mitt romney kind of skidded out, lost restraint, and called this a dark day for freedom on the basis of nothing. and then he actually recanted, to his credit. so that was an interesting kind of a moment. and maybe the story of that should be a little bit more made public. >> front page "washington post" today. >> you're the man of the hour, marcus. >> recommend it. >> i thought it was an amazing story for americans also because, if i could be just a teeny bit sentimental for a moment. it's not every day that we necessarily get to feel so great about our country. you know, the fact that when a blind chinese dissident is being chased by thugs with truncheons that he runs to the embassy of my country

some law and order on a situation like that these companies are playing the ethics game up to the hilt i mean l three one of the companies named in these lawsuits has already had to pay forty four million dollars to settle claims of contractor misconduct and they take those fines into consideration and when and balance that against what kind of money can that make by breaking that forty four million dollar law right there so these companies people like to portray themselves as patriots and just out there you know look like you martin says they never get working for they're working for their pocket books and to the extent they can get away with unethical conduct they will and to the extent that they can just eat a fine and still make huge profit they will and it just points out that we've got to get at a very basic level legal local level the war profiteering profit motive out of making war yeah well they definitely you know work to fill their pocketbooks that at the same time it's coming out of our pocketbooks we just did a story the other week thanks to i believe it was called the sac

. >> and the stake by construction workers left customer was out power, crews hilt a wire, leaving many in the dark. >>> time for a check of what has been a windy forecast. >> and first, let's take a look back at images from yesterday's eclipse. this is from andrew a. projecting the images on to a wall. and there is images projected on to a wall as well. and here is a picture from chris a. there is a sill wheft a young girl in front. there is a crest shape and interesting. it's all behind us now. let's take a look at sunny skies. and clouds up in the north around eureka. there is highs into mid to upper 80s, mainly sunny skies and there are low clouds and fog and highs into upper 70s to around 80s into warmest spots tomorrow. and back to the lock back at the images. >> did you see that? >> i saw it. >> and when he you first showed us, i thought what am i looking at? >> and there is no success in trying to bound that reflection. >> and we got the picture, thank you. >> and cheryl jennings takes us to south korea to meet a singer and a dj from the bay area. helping to launch k pop. >> tod

i interviewed a number of conrad murray's patients who all defended him to the hilt.ive payday and it may have clouded his judgment, a judgment that until then had been very sound and that something just went wrong with him. and he was cutting corners and doing stuff with michael he shouldn't have been doing in a private home. that is how it seemed to me. >> i agree with that. there is so much we can talk about when it comes to this. >> that's not all of it. it's just the beginning. >> i will say this and i think my brothers will concur. you know, as time goes on, it's a little healing but there's a void that will always be in your heart because your brother is not here any more. >> but it has to be a huge void because he was -- you know you all loved your brother. to the rest of the world he was michael jackson the superstar. to you guys he was your little brother in the end. nothing can change that. that is your feeling to him. >> people look at michael as the superstar but to us he was just our brother. >> and he is a big superstar. >> he is. >> how did you feel ab

strong winds also hilt the bay area. -- hit the bay area. san francisco saw gusts of 50 miles per hour and ktvu's chief meteorologist bill martin says the winds are expected to hit their peak today. >> when do you think their dying dow? >> i think they peaked this afternoon and they are dying down but it will still be breezy thursday and last few days we have with gusty winds, especially long the coast and bay. inland it is breezy but not blowing you over. delta has had strong winds up here. fairfield, we got winds at 16. that is not that impressive. concord, pittsburg 25 miles per hour. pretty impressive. point reyes, winds gusting to 40 miles per hour. you can't see that. gusting to 40. so very windy along the coast. very windy throughout the bay. that rips the fog up. that is where the fog went. we had fog, patchy fog but the winds are such they are chewing it up and it is gone. temperatures mild today. lots of 70s. temperatures tomorrow, well, they will be cooler still as a real weather system moves to the north of us. tomorrow, breezy.

what that told me is that both sides decided to be calm and not exagerate and play it to the hilt. and put fingers in the eyes of others. and i think in a business-like manner they worked out the dilemma. that was significant. and it took immense restraint particularly on the side of china. as and you note that mitt romney skipped out and called this a darkness to freedom. and then recanted. that was an interesting kind of moment. and maybe the story of that should be a little more made public. >> front page, washington post today. >> well, you are the man of the hour, marcus. >> recommend it. >> i thought it was an amazing story for americans. if i can be sentimental for a moment. it's not always that we can feel great about our country. when a blind chinese disiddent is chased by thugs. and he runs to the embassy of my country makes me proud. and it was a great story for americans to know and hear. and i think it was in some way an inaccurate representation of the real story. which is a drama happening inside of china. the guangcheng story is a story about chinese activists all o

music here at christopher hilt and marina green.t could be a traffic nightmare. >> shutting down eastern mines will affect tens of thousands of people. they will be moving boarding areas and making repairs to the street. >> here in san francisco, the san francisco police department has recovered 114 stolen bicycles. eight found in the city and another 106 in storage lockers near the oakland coliseum. they have now posted pictures of the bikes on line and they're hoping that the rifle owners will come forward. they say that he will have the bike is indeed your property. >> i'm at golden gate park at the california academy of sciences. there are about to open a new exhibit called for a quick. >> they have built their real earthquake simulator. guests are let in and stanford short in trouble for the shooting begins. qr >>pam: donald trump and mitt romney have teamed up to raise money for the gop candidate's campaign. >> donald trump gets posted on the view. in the opening minutes there were new-line president obama over his birthday su

she claims she thought she hilt a deer when she hit natasha pet grew.e ford is scheduled to be sentenced in august. >>> baltimore police arrest a man they say ran a kitten over on purpose. they say he threw a kitten on the ground and ran it over several times with his ford pickup truck. it happened in a parking lot on main street. police say an anonymous person turned in a video of the incident and he was arrested. he now faces more than three years in jail on a $6,000 fine. >>> the red cross is in desperate need of several critical blood types. the need comes as the charity gets ready for its suspected summer drop donations. right now, officials are asking anyone, but especially those with type o blood to give. type o is universal and can be transfused into any patient. for more information on how you can donate, visit our website, wjz.com. >>> they served america with honor and distinction. talking with several tuskegee airmen who are work hard to tell their stories. >> reporter: the tuskegee airmen were the first african american pilots in the plilit

if she pushes it to the hilt, i don't think she's get a dime. >> avery, sharon stone has called it, quote absurd lawsuit with made up and fabricated claims filed by a, quote, disgruntled ex-employee obviously looking to get money any way she can. just as richard said, this is going to be kind of she said, she said? >> it may very well be. in many cases they will document events. whether she documented events or shared events with anyone we may not know. >> recordings? >> that's right. there may be that also. but what's significant to me, if they had that kind of smoking gun evidence, it seems to me they wouldn't have waited 18 months to bring suit. they may have tried to negotiate. the bottom line, there was a press conference where the lawyer said this is on behalf of all people who are underpaid or not paid enough. no, it's not. it's a case involving erlinda elemen. i would hate to agree but i think this case had a long way to go against sharon stone. >> do you think it will be accepted to proceed? >> oh, yeah, the case will go forward, sure. the question is what kind of evidence surfac

this is the second deadliest quake to hilt italy in two weeks.alt a blow to the country's struggling economy. in italy, anna metraininga, wjz -- anna tretranga, wjz eyewitness news. >>> a record-setting wildfire is burning out of control in new mexico. more than 175,000 acres are burning in the gilla national forest, making it the largest wildfire in the state's history. smoke from the fire can be seen from as far away as denver. >>> the fda has a warning for people who buy adderall online. it could be fake. a counterfake version of the 30- milligram tablets are being sold with the wrong ingredients. the fake pills contain milder ingredients. adderall is currently in short supply, making it an easy -- target for fake online sales. >>> in today's healthwatch, an eye surgeon becomes one of the first to perform cataract surgery. mike schuh reports, the doctor has invested over a million dollars. >> for the second time, joyce savage is being wheeled into cataract surgery. the results after her first procedure amazed her. >> i woke up and i could see

the student was trying to land in a pool, but he hilt concrete. -- hit concrete. >> oh, my god. >> reporter: a daredevil move, at a crowded pool. >> there's so much commotion going on outside first of all. >> the student lived near the campus. they say sometime saturday afternoon, they noticed someone climbing onto the roof of one of the buildings. >> there was kids. everyone was yelling, don't jump. >> reporter: this video, posted to you tube shows what happens next. >> second he left, everyone was watching. >> joshaby witnessed the whole thing. >> you could hear the smack and then the splash into the water. it was almost simultaneous. >> reporter: they say the student seen is ian smith. >> our other friends are like, dude, ian just broke both of his ankles. >> i think he just got caught up in the moment. and now it just suckses a lot. >> hopefully he's okay. but it's definitely something he should learn from. >> today, smith is listed in fair condition at the hospital. >>> a yeary day on wall wall -- dreary day on wall street. [ stock bells ringing ] all of the markets are down. dow is of

is interest, because i interviewed a number of conrad murray's patients who all defended him to the hiltat he got off at a massive payday and it may have clouded his judgment, and a judgment that until then had been very sound, and that something just went wrong with him. and he was cutting corners and doing stuff with michael that he shouldn't have been doing in the private home. i know that it is how it seemed to me. >> i agree with that. there is so much to talk about when it comes to this, and it is just not all of it though. >> it is not all of it. >> it is just the beginning. >> but i will say this, and i think that my brothers will concur, you know, as time goes on, it is a little healing, but there's a void that always going to be in your heart, because your brother is not here anymore. >> yeah, but it has to be a huge void, because he was, you know, you all loved the brother, and for the rest of the world he was michael jackson, the super star, and for you guys, you had been huge stars, yourselves, but he was your little brother in the end and nothing can change that. that is yo

the triangleler torch will hilt the fact it's hosting the olympics for the third time. >> it was moving, it was historic and it was a great day for our country. >> i believe marriage is the union of one man and one woman. the president and democrats can talk about all this all they want. >> reaction from the left and right house leaders weighing in president's support of marriage equality. what it all means for our nation's youth. joining me next, two singers who make young singers for the lgbt community. we'll speak with cyndi lauper and chely wright. >>> prosecution in the john edwards today expected to rest without calling the woman at the center of it all, rielle hunter. ♪ you make me happy when skies are gray ♪ [ female announcer ] you know exactly what it takes to make them feel better. ♪ you make me happy [ female announcer ] that's why you choose children's tylenol. the same brand your mom trusted for you when you were young. ♪ how much i love you [ humming ] [ female announcer ] children's tylenol, the #1 brand of pain and fever relief recommended by pediatricians and used by m

i talked earlier to hilt da solis, the labor secretary about this but the argument you get from democrats it's the republicans on the hill. the argument you get from the republicans is that the white house won't negotiate. what is your perspective looking at us? >> well, look, this is probably the most important single issue in the u.s.-mexico bilateral relationship. nothing will have a more profound impact on the future prosperity, well-being and security of north america of mexico and the united states than getting immigration right. but it is a very toxic and very polar rising issue more so in an election. and more so when so many americans are hurting and out of a job. these issues are very tough to handle and there are people on both sides of the aisle that i think are fully committed to getting this done. the challenge is timing. and the equation, how you put this together so combined all the different groups that have a specific interest in getting immigration done, but that need to come together and agree to big single holistic deal. >> immigration, illegal immigration is down. is

however, the real blame here, it lies with the regulators who either can't seem to bring cases or never hilt these ne'er-do-wells where it hurts, in the pockbook. every time they go after these firms for their transgressions they seem to focus not only on individual actors who did it but on the whole company. that means when the firms battle the groft they're doing it with the shareholders' money. we have the really absurd situation where if the government, say, were to go after jpmorgan for this horrible trade it wouldn't focus on the people responsible, it would go after the whole firm. which allows jpmorgan to spend money that should have gone to the shareholders on its lawyers. and even worse, if the firm is found to have committed wrongdoing, the fines are paid by the shareholders too. so there really isn't much incentive to combat these outrages. no matter what the shareholders pay. not the executives who committed the transgressions. oh, sure, periodically the s.e.c. refers the most egregious behavior to the justice department. particularly insider trading cases. there, by the way, i

a few years ago, i proposed, it was on blowinging hilts. i'm very interested in evolution. i've always wondered whether nachl rail selection explained everything. i do not believe in god. i'm not interested in intel gent design. but i read a book that was saying that when it gets to how evolution crates large jumps and steps, as opposed to small things, it seems like there must be some other mechanism, we don't know what it is. i found it fascinating. i had several new ones torn out of me. the liberal scientists were the ones. this is all the kind of behavior associated. i was trying to make sense. how do we fit in that even with evolution, the facts aren't as complete as we're told. >> really, that is intelligent design. if they get a little upset when you bring it up, immaterial's because it's a direct insult to their scientific expertise. >> sure. but even if you say i don't believe that it's intelligence design. it's not about god. so we elite bring michael on and they're going to be extremely up set. >> the mistake he made was to talk to the devil. a principle in my bo

colon and liver cancer the bee gees formed in 1960 and had dozens of hit songwrote more than a dozen hiltsor others. they had several hits over decades including the ones from the mega hit, saturday night fever sound track. he was only 62 years old. >>> i was trying to thing today, sadly we have seen so many deaths in the music world and i was trying to think of my favorite bee gees song because we were talking huge fan and i just couldn't thing of one. >> there are so many >> i can't think of one. >> they had so many hits i like all their incarnation, the mid- to late 60s and early 70s then the mid-70s to early 80s and then the late 80s into the 90s as well. and i feel so bad for barry gib, i mean all his brothers are gone now andy went early and maurice a few years ago and now robin. very very sad. >>>i will try to think of it, narrow it down to my top five. >> it is hard for people to understand who are younger how big they were. >> late 70s they dominated the charts and it wasn't just them but they wrote and produced for other artists who had hits, yvonne element, kenny rogers, dolly p

i was with him last night at the washington hilt oven.ting completion of building at ground zero in new york which is all union-built. a magnificent testament to working men and women in this country. in studio with us, we were talking politics and beyond julie mason from sirius xm podis channel. great to see you again. >> great to be back on the show. >> how about that scott brown? here he is? >> what a scamp. >> running for senate reelection, of course, voted against obama care. >> health care reform as it's commonly known. >> right. and voted to repeal it, voted against it and now what's happening with scott brown. >> my goodness his daughter is benefitting from the law. you know one of the more popular provisions was you can keep your kids on your own health insurance until they are about 26. so one of scott brown's lovely daughters is 23 years old and he ensures her on his congressional health plan -- >> thanks to president obama. >> thanks to president obama. >> he votes against it and then he takes advantage of it. >> i don't see a

what that suggested to me was that both sides had decided to not exaggerate, not play it up to the hilt, and actually i think in a businesslike manner they worked out the dilemma. i think that was very significant. i think it took immense restraint particularly on the side of china, and you note that at one point met ronnie kind of skated out and lost his strength and called it a dark day for freedom and then he actually recanted to his credit. so i think that was a very interesting kind of the moment and maybe the story of that should be a little bit more made public. >> the front page of "the washington post" today. >> you are the man of the hour, marcus. >> i thought it was an amazing story for americans also because if i could get a tiny bit sentimental for a moment, it's not everyday that we necessarily get to feel so great about our country. the fact that, when a chinese dissident is being chased by thugs, that he runs to the embassy of my country makes me proud, and it was a great story for americans to know and to hear. i think it was in some ways an inaccurate representation of

i'm, i happen to be a legal immigrant, so i'm documented to the hilt. i think i'm overdocumented.ould greatly enjoy -- [laughter] living in the shadows as opposed to living in the klieg-like glare of the irs and all the rest of it. so i'm not, i think we're going to see a great increase in that, and i think you will start to see day -- if you go, scott was calling from phoenix or tucson? >> host: tucson. >> guest: tucson. if you go south of tucson, it's fascinating. on the highways there you see signs not that far south of tucson that say proceed farther at your own risk on united states interstates. they're basically saying the writ of the united states no longer runs. and i think you will see that kind of bleeding sovereignty moving further and further up the country in the edge of the southwest. i think if you were, if the scenario of after america were to come to pass, you would actually, you would start to see de facto secession, fiscally-prudent states like wyoming. why would they wish to be bankrupted to bail out california or new york or new jersey? so the question then be