so, i immediately liked him. he was the kind of man he gave his answer and it was like what you saw is what you got. you can see that charisma was palpable in the room and in his office. so that was an immediate enjoyment. >> host: said he didn't come from privilege. privilege. in the book he talks about working as a truck driver and being in the army. tell us about his childhood and how it shaped him. >> guest: one of the critical moment is at the age of ten his family ran a bar and grill and he had plans to open a motel. they rented out rooms and at the age of ten, his father died suddenly of a heart attack and the poignant part of the story financially anyway was that he left the family with a quarter of a million dollars of debt. his mother had no idea what she was going to do. so, this led to the feeling that he was always on intimate terms with debt and the desire his mother have to pay back that obligation she never wavered from and they pay it back extraordinarily. he was the oldest son and his mother lea

to change him.is and i try to give him traditions and values and morals into his life but i don't try to change him. i like that he has his own yes and his own no. >> there's a perception by some that donald's got a rough reputation with women, that he's got a rough language with women. what do you want to say to that? >> i say he treats equally everybody. you're a woman, you're a man, he treats everybody equally. and he's -- he will tell you what is on his heart. so -- and he will tell you what he thinks. he doesn't hold back and he's real. he's a real person. >> is he funny? >> he's funny. has a great sense of humor, he likes to have a good time and he loves to get together with family and friends. >> what annoys him? what does he get mad about? >> stupidity. >> really? >> like what? >> yes. and i do, too. just if something is not done the right way and especially if you tell somebody and they don't just -- don't do it and he just -- he likes to be the right things done and he just doesn't like it

i just think, listen, it was smart for him at this point to disavow him immediately and to cut him loosen he's out in his next press briefing or what have you, he'll be asked about it and cut this guy loose. >> i think in the past -- and i will take part of the blame myself. because we didn't get it to him fast enough. i mean, we can't monitor the world's twitter feeds. we're a pretty small organization compared to presidential races at this point. we're getting a lot bigger, but we need to do a better job of finding things fast and getting it to him fast so he can respond as fast as he can. this is completely disgusting. >> you're talking about the butler. >> you know, i come from -- i have a mixed race family. that makes me sick. >> the robocall? >> the sin that we committed was not acting fast enough and we should have done faster and we will. >> these stories keep coming out. there was a story two days ago about a delegate in california that was elected, a donald trump delegate that was a white supremacist, a white nationalist. today i thought it was very interesting. paul ryan's pre

i didn't take money or nothing on him. >> you beat him with a shovel? >> yes. >> although sheppard said he acted in self defense. prosecutors believed he was the gr agreser. he faced a maximum of 60 years if convicted. it will put him behind bars for life. >> i am fine without getting out. >> i am mentally cable of doing the rest of my life i don't want to. >> sheppard spent half his life incarcerated in several different states and completed a seven year sentence in oklahoma for attempted robbery. >> i have dealt with a lot of different lifestyles and races. i can connect with people easier. when you understand somebody, it is easier to talk to somebody. >> you heard me? >> i don't pay attention to what's going on out there. i curse them. >> we are crazy. >> i am not crazy. >> how many times have you been in jail? >> exactly. you are not riding in here anyway. [ laughter ] >> we got to be crazy if we keep oncoming back. >> sheppard felt a segregation inmate elijah. says he does not talking anyone during his hour. >> i am home phobic. when i am behind t

yeah, him.t guy. >> i didn't know he had a clothing line. >> yes, he does. >> i knew he was a musician, he was in a plane crash. >> yeah, he does. i liked it, and i just put it on me. it's just something at the time i was in prison, i think i was high as hell when i put it on me. >> the "f" could be for a clothing line like he said, or "f" could stand for folk, which is folk nation, which is part -- which the gangster disciples are part of. >> actually, i called you up here to clarify information i've been receiving. >> okay. >> i've been hearing you've been affiliated with gangster disciples. >> what is that? >> you know what that is. >> i've heard of it. >> you heard of it? what did you hear? >> just prison, street, thing of that nature. i don't deal with gang members. trying to stay clear of foolishness. >> no gang affiliation at all? >> none. >> none? what's up with the six points on your right arm? >> that's a famous -- that's what you call a travis baker a drummer. >> oh, i never heard --

maybe roger and lynn could set him straight. >> he was on probation in florida and for him to be able to leave the state, she had to write this letter, you know, y saying how she would take on that responsibility. roger asked her to do that so she did. >> right about the same time, lynn found out she was pregnant again. the tug of motherhood was getting stronger, so this globe trotting army captain made a decision, she put in for a transfer to teach rotc in minnesota. good for her career, good for her family, and no travel. >> was she doing it all to be with tristan more, was that part of it? >> yeah. that would be part of it. she wanted to -- it's more re x relaxing. >> she was going to be a teacher, something she was really looking forward to. >> just days before moving time, lynn was saying good-bye to fort bliss. >> lin was having a going away party? >> any time a commander resigns a command the unit puts together and buy her going away gift, usually a plaque or something to commemorate the accomplishments of the unit. >> megan didn't go but her husband did. >> my husband came hom

. >>> are you with him or against him? let's play hardball. >> good evening. i'm chris matthews up in new york. not ready for trump. that's the word from paul ryan said this afternoon donald trump needs to change his cadence. that's his word. cut out the bullying and reassure conservatives he shares their principles. >> to be perfectly candid with you, i'm not ready to do that at this point. i'm not there right now. i hope too. i want to. i think what is required is that we unify this party. i think the bulk of the burden on unifying the party will have to come from our presumptive nominee. what a lot of republicans want to see is we have a standard bearer that bears our standards and unifies all the wings of the republican party. it's time to go from tapping into anger to channelling that anger into solutions. >> this evening donald trump responded to that. he said i'm not ready o support speaker ryan's agenda. perhaps in the future we can work together and come to an grem about what is best for the american people. also michael steele, the former chair who i

>> i don't think that's him, pat. [ gunshots in distance ] >> stay right here. get him! >> [ shouts indistinctly ] >> ♪ my country, 'tis of thee ♪ sweet land of liberty ♪ land where my fathers died ♪ land of the pilgrims' pride ♪ from every mountainside ♪ let freedom ring ♪ >> narrator: on the north american plains, opportunity calls men of courage to chase the sun west into a new frontier. they would shape a nation, lay hold of their destiny, and birth a new mythology. but with the passing of time, every myth has its reckoning. william h. bonney, orphan turned outlaw, low-life scoundrel and escape artist... a legendary gunfighter credited with multiple murders, one for each year of his short life. but behind every man stands a myth, and behind every legend lies the truth. >> billy the kid. quite possibly the most legendary outlaw in the history of the american west, a symbolic figure of the untamed frontier. he's a charismatic kid, but he's a killer all the same -- far from the sadistic villain he's often made out to be, though. william h. bonney is just a boy, a teenag

for him and fo jane sandersr -- for him and for jane sanders, i think there is real anger towards the the weight he feels treated by the democratic party. to the point where he is willing to mess things up for them for the sake of doing that. john: do you think there is a fear level? by that i mean that divine and jeff weaver and senator sanders and his wife. that is the four-legged stool. do you think there are divisions between them on what to do on june 8 if sanders loses california? do you think everyone will be unanimous, or will there be splits? the question is going to be -- are there any loud voices urging him to try and get out of this race in a graceful way immediately after the results on that day? there are questions on how it could go. if bernie sanders comes out on top in california, that would be reason for everyone to recalibrate their thinking about what senator sanders might do. is there anyone willing to stand up to the candidate himself? at this point, that is where that is coming from. we know that tad and others have urged more conciliation with hillary clinton a

how'd you see him?somebody who has lived a privileged enough life to not be stressed out by his contradictions. spend, me, i of us personally spend a lot of time worrying about if i am, if my actions are lining up with the ,ind of person i want to be, or you know? i don't get the sense from jefferson that i was a thing for him. -- that that was a thing for him. everything was taken care of. and he was brilliant, so he had the freedom to sort of be brilliant and not really worry .bout if it was good the idea of good doesn't seem to come into play, necessarily. what is right, what will make the country strong, what will make me rich, allow me to keep this lifestyle. charlie: and he died broke. how about lafayette? daveed: lafayette is the opposite. he is the guy who left his wealth behind to come fight in the revolution. charlie: a sense of adventure? he wanted to catch -- test himself? daveed: he was from a military family and wasn't doing anything involved with the military. he was looking for that. but

that is where they spotted him. and we actually spoke to a member of that tactical team who told us they were keeping a very close eye on him and his movements for at least 20 minutes before they finally moved in on him, but where arrest actually happened, was in thispa custody. take a look at this video, because we were live on the air, my photographer and i were standing on some stairs, with a high vantage point of the area. we saw those officers rushing to the other shopping center with their weapons drawn. they were looking at us, telling us to get down and get out of the way now it is because we could have potentially been in the crossfire if there had been any shots fired. we now know 62 year old eulalio tordil was taken into custody in this parking lot at that time. once the activity calmed down a bitty was able to approach and i saw t into handcuffs behind thear that for, in cuffs, and i can tell you he looked calm. he wasn't fighting the situation, he wasn't trying to get away, he wasn't combative toward th

so i applaud him for that. but i don't applaud him for the insults. i as a supporter, i would like him to issue a blanket apology or individual apology. >> all right. so let's talk more about this with brian morgenstern and ellis hanrahtha haniga in which n. bob dole asked him to apologize for telling mccain that he was not a real hero. i'll start but, he wiwith you, you think an apology would help trump gain support? >> it seemed like it was an after thought. you have to feel for bob coal. i love the guy. certainly compared to some of the guys waving the republican flag today, he's a man of decency and moderation. you know his skin has to control at the notion of supporting donald trump. but what will he do? he's a life long republican. believes in the party. he does not like the clintons. so making the best of a very uncomfortable situation with his usual decency. >> and brian, what is the likelihood of an apology from donald trump? >> you know, snowballs in hell, something like that. a tint happ it ain't happening. but what we're he seeing is the p

and lady bird would not dare to embarrass him or scold him -- lady bird would not dare to embarrass himhim. she would pick up a cigarette in front of company. as soon is she did, he saw that, he did not want her smoking. so she is smoking, and he put his out, and she would put hers out, not a word was spoken. and bill moyers was very, very helpful. he has a wonderful quote, "11 of the most interesting people i have ever met was lyndon johnson." charlie: that is great. that is just great. and you feel that way yourself in terms of trying to understand him? bryan cranston: i think so. he is a complex man. one thing that triggered for me -- as an actor, the character is outside of you. until you do the research and time and energy put into it, you hope and trust that character will at some point seat into your soul through osmosis, for lack of a better term or acting term. until that happens -- and the second time i went to the lbj office in texas, which is a terrific library, i noticed a letter from jackie kennedy addressed to the new president five days after the assassination. she wrote

you can't blame him.correlation. >> i don't think he should be -- as a leader he's responsible for how he amps that stuff but but my fear is this is real. we don't want to confess our sins that racism is still a part of the dna of america and because mr. trump has exposed that it's easy -- >> i think he's exposing it though. >> it's easy to point the finger at him. people are expressing what's in them. >> i think there's no denying that racism exists but i don't think donald trump is responsible for the rise of this but i think there's crazy people out there. >> this isn't exposing some red neck white supremacist somewhere in the south. there is an ault right movement and it's a young almost hipster thing. there's a hair do they have. he is like sort of the normalizing but they are normalizing this behavior. >> go on. keep talking. >> i think it's concerning and the danger -- >> i'm surprised that the number of young people who are seen as not really progressive left but young people who are sort of going

gop -- theyr, the deserve him, they got him.george bush, the kid, was the worst president we've had in the history of the country. the only one that would be worse was donald trump. host: we would hear from a democrat in maryland. good morning to you. caller: good morning. how you doing? thank you for c-span. i believe that the republicans -- they deserve exactly what they are getting, simply because they should have -- they should have stood up. even though their politics are different than obama, they should not have cheapened the office. they allowed the tea party to say whatever, do whatever. i blame them. they never stood up. "you lie." they never challenged the extreme part of their party. they never stood up and were adults to obama. host: we hear your point. tom defrank, do you want to take that? guest: i don't know exactly what to say about that. i don't have a rational comment on that one. host: we will see what republicans have the say about coming together and how donald trump will strategize going forward as he is t

they call him names. if you look at what lindsey graham for instance has said, he sort of made him seem like he was a cookie guy who believed in conspiracy theories. so i think it will be very hard conspiracy theories. so i think it will be very hard. but the bopolls suggest it won' be a blowout. >> david. >> i think we cannot underestimate how these guys are trying to figure out their own futures. and their ambivalence reflects they're not sure which way this will go and every one thinks they came out of the race they should have won and they should be the next president and they don't mind seeing donald trump go town down. >> i thought he was trying to be magnanimous, but in a way cooperate help but being a little bit dismissive of donald trump. because he still can't believe he lost to this guy, right? and as you were saying. and he said with the right people around him, he will learn, right? and that's keechind of not what normally say about your party nominee. >> never being in elected office before,

what stood out about him when you met him? tell us about the first meeting. >> guest: the first time i met him, we met in -- i was immediately struck by what a people person he was. if my idea of a ceo was someone reserve expend kind of arrogant and had some kind of -- some level of not -- arrogance would be the word -- i found him the opposite help was immediately accessible. he was funny. he wanted his story told. obviously in the mere fact he picked my wife as the first person to tell it to, endeared me to him. and he wanted it told honestly, bethany him didn't want his story to seem just the story of someone who was flawless, as a human being, or as an executive, but who had tremendous, tremendous desire to tell the american people and correct the record of their perception of the company. so when i immediately liked him. he was the kind of man who you asked him a question, he didn't think about his answer. he just gave his answer. it was all -- what you saw is what you got. plus the fact he was charming and handsome. you

their strategy is you may not love her but you cannot have him, you can't trust him, he's not up to the job, and they think's dangthink he's dangerou. >> republicans are saying, look, she'll put you in danger too, she had these classified e-mails that were allegedly sent from staffers to her. they use what happened in benghazi. they have a counternarrative. again, it's one of these things where she's less bad, guys, you should not vote for her. >> one thing i think you'll see, bernie sanders is still an open question, but you have secretary clinton, bill clinton is on the campaign trail, president obama has a birther history of donald trump, you hear this week about michelle obama wanting to get on the campaign trail. and then there's elizabeth warren. >> donald trump was drooling over the idea of a housing meltdown because he could buy up more property on the cheap. what man does that? >> i was being hit by pocahontas. pocahontas. pocahont pocahontas. that's elizabeth warren. i call her goofy. she is -- no, no, goofy. she gets less done than anybody in the united states senate. she's g

they speak well of him.eans for republicanism, for the republican party and whether this party will ever look the same after tonight. >> well what trump has exposed is the current pieties in the republican party weren't as strong as we thought. everyone thought you had to go out there, every day talk about ronald reagan talk about his example, talk about his policies, repeat his ra tore cal troeps all the time about a shining city on the hill and all the rest of it. trump did none of that and he went out and sold a nationalism and populism to republican voters, and republican voters were just angry enough with washington, just sick enough of the status quo and the establishment that it worked. you know one element that became clear over time is that every time he said something outrageous it helped him because it reinforced his brand as something new and different. but megyn you alluded to a lot of folks having really concerns about his temperament and character. barry, i would ask you, why on a day when he'

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>> told him to leave, he didn't leave. >> so he didn't leave and you just fought him.ou tell him to leave? >> he robbed from my cellmate. >> he was stealing from the unit and other people, as well so you told him to check off and he didn't, so you banged him up. why did you do it so badly? >> i can't answer that question. >> you know? it went on for a while. >> you guys took breaks. >> i didn't take breaks. >> no, that's true. i'll grant you that. you were the one -- the other two were taking breaks. all right, but why so long? you know what i mean? >> i lost the concept of time. >> well, basically, you know -- yeah, it was pretty bad. you're probably going to do 30. i can't imagine in terms of you not doing 30 in terms of segregation. all right. thank you. >> 30 days in segregation could be the least of espinoza's problems. should the d.a. decide to pursue criminal prosecution, if convicted, espinoza could potentially face eight years in state prison. >> so was it worth it? >> tired of being in here. put me in a cage and i'm turning into a beast. that's what it's like

so we are just so thankful to have him to take around, because everybody falls in love with him. >> soggested they get him certified as a therapy animal it was an easy decision. >> it was a pretty extensive process to get him certified eight years ago. and we've done over 1,000 visits since then, added four other llamas and three alpacas and go out almost every day of the week now. >> rojo. >> lori and shannon started a nonprofit called mountain peaks therapy, llamas and alpacas. >> today they're headed to visit a nursing home with rojo, the llama and napoleon, the alpaca. the residents here suffer from severe dementia but the moment this unique group steps off the elevator, there are smiles, all across the room. >> it's really neat taking a giant 400-pound animal into everywhere. a lot of times you get a lot of shock at first. they don't really understand why a llama who is dressed up is in their home. then you get this intrigue. so it's a shock and then they're like but i want to come feel it. i want to feel how soft he is. he looks cool. when they put a carrot in their lips and he g

i don't want him to be the same. i don't want him growing up like me. i got to be there for him. thinking right now, i'm not doing nothing right for him. i have to do something for him. people ain't gonna forget, even if i try to straighten my life up. because a lot of people are trying to straighten their life up been living in the same environment. somebody come and kill you. people don't forget because you're doing good. they don't take away the hurt that you caused people. you can die in your environment, that's what's [ bleep ] going to happen if i out on the street. i've got to leave. that's the only thing that will help me. >> samuels, along with the other ad seg inmates, is given only one hour of yard time each day, most of which is spent talking about what they all have in common, serving time. >> i'm supposed to get out next month. see you next week, right? but since it's an assault on a peace officer, i don't know if they will let me go back or ship me out. i don't know what's going on. my program up next month. >> they have me up for a transfer. i'm just a lonely dude

pulled guns on him and told him to get out of the vehicle. before he could make another ma motorcycle they drew theirew t weapons and cornered him.im. we had him under surveillance su and he again was walking from store to store. at no point was him into custody until we d. it. took nearly five minutes. it was without a single gunshot and to till exited his car and surrounded:of course there's a myriad of questions related tosr this case and one of the big bi questions is where waister dil from 4:50 yesterday afternoon at the beltsville shooting until un this shooting 11:5 when he shoth up three people killing one of them right here the at montgomery mall in bethesda. that's one big question. montgomery county police stillco have tordil at headquarters. they are still interviewing ther man and that's why montgomery police have not charged him.d prince george's county at thisso hour have charged him with firsi degree murder of his firstirst degree wife including a slew of other charges connected to the high point high shooting. hig still waiti

your view of him has been rising in recent days, as far as possibly selecting him?and i really got along with him pretty well. i would say, probably it's unlikely that it will be john. i'm not sure that john even wants it. >> as trump continues to campaign, to officially clinch the republican nomination, he will hold a rally in west virginia later today, ahead of that state's primaryt

him.eant to say it yesterday, fred armisen hosted "snl" last saturday night. was absolutely fantastic. a great finale. so i just want to say congratulations to fred armisen on that for a great job. [ cheers and applause ] before we get to everything else we have planned for you tonight, with so much attention being paid to the presidential election, it's easy to forget that congress has basically descended into permanent gridlock. and that gridlock hit a new low recently with congressional republicans refusing to provide adequate funding to fight the spread of the zika virus. and not only that, they've also continued to block president obama's nominee to the supreme court and torpedoed a completely noncontroversial anti-discrimination measure. for more on this, it's time for "a closer look." ♪ [ applause ] a poll last week found that just 14% of americans approve of how congress is handling its job. congress is even less popular than that kid who reminds the teacher they forgot to assign h

my friend started hitting him, beating him up. all the officers were aware of this already at the time and they have a policy here. they won't intervene unless there's four officers to one inmate. this pod, there's 16 of us out on the pod eating breakfast. that's, what, 64. they need to come in. they just sat there and watched. and i didn't want to let go of the guy because he still had a knife tied to his hand. i never let go. he ended up dying. >> estrada was, again, found guilty of murder. but he hasn't given up his kill or be killed outlook. >> i can't sit here and say, well, i'm remorseful for what i did, because better him than me. they chose their own fate. taking human life, that's the worst you can possibly do. i'm not going to let anybody hurt me or do anything to me. and i have to live regardless of the consequences, if i have to pick up 40-year sentences, 50-year sentences for defending myself, i'll do that. you know, i'll do everything i can not to be carried out in a box from in here. >> together, estrada's sentences

i helped him, gave him a lot of money and helped him with robo calls every single call i made he won the state. and in terms of the primaries, when it came time to the general election, i didn't care, if they don't want to call me, that's okay. i'm a busy man. you saw what i did in florida, won in a landslide, i would have helped him. i certainly could have gotten him over the ledge. if mitt romney did that, i would be happy to talk to him. >> he owes you a thank you. you want him to thank you first for 2012 before you reach out to him? >> i helped mitt romney a lot. >> and feel he was ungrateful. >> i believe i helped him win five states he was going to lose -- >> you think he was ungrateful? >> it was ungrateful, which is okay, a lot of people are ungrateful but he was ungrateful. they did not respond accordingly and that's okay but -- >> let's move on to some issue things. there's a few things that some people think are contradictions so i want to see if i can pin you down here. the issue of taxes, your tax plan is one where the biggest beneficiaries are the .1% when it comes to r

him and helps him to connect as an ordinary person.iticians do it. they wheel out the families to create the impression of voters. is it going to make the big difference in getting woman to vote for him? no. we have to address the policy. we think with the brain and not the gynecology. >> yeah, we have some work to do and 69 percent rate him negatively. the other idea is that he seems to temper the way in which he speaks when he has his wife and daughter and daughters-in-law around him. maybe that's a sub conscience thing and it makes him not attack as much. is that a reason to have them with him at all-timeall-times? >> no, usually most of the time they're with him it's hey, i just won. i just won indiana. it's like have a celebration. not when it's attacking the opponent. the o opponent that he is going to attack next is a woman. i don't think that it's going make a difference there. i think having his wife and daughter out to speak on his behalf is good. trump is not known for being warm and fuzzy. what he says and has said in the p

whether it's against him or from him.e deemed it necessary to keep him in administrative segregation. >> i've been in over 1,000 fights. i done been stabbed, i done been cut. all that makes you just more meaner, madder, crazier. it's called survival. when it gets crazy, you got to get crazier. >> kelly's violence earned him a well-known nickname. >> i beat a guy so bad i took his blood, you know what i'm saying, and just -- did like this here, you know what i'm saying? and i yelled "darkside!" and it went from there, man. darkside became well known. >> during our extended stay shoot in savannah, field producer jacob hector on saw the light side of darkside. >> it wasn't the person i was expecting to meet. after speaking with him for a couple of minutes he stopped me and he said hey, thanks for talking to me, that was like having a visit. and you know that stuck with me. and that kind of says a lot about people that are confined in segregation. they don't have somebody to just to chat with a lot of the time. >> 23 hours a

trusted him. officer snead -- now a detective with the albemarle county police, came looking for robert after the fire, sandy told him without hesitation where he could find her son. >> i said, "is robert in trouble?" and he said, "he's in serious trouble." >> reporter: but sandy had no idea just how serious -- or what was about to happen in that parking lot, where robert was hanging out with his friend. >> guns pointed at you, you're -- you're wondering what's going on. i mean, i was -- i was scared. i was shaking. >> why robert? because a fugett siblings told police they had accomplices -- from their high school. and he was one of them. another one was pulled in that same night -- and interviewed by detective giles and his partner. >> at the end of the interview we both looked at each other and "this kid has no idea what we're talking about. he is clueless to what we're asking him." >> reporter: so the fugetts had lied when they fingered him. the kid was eventually released. but robert? robert h

and sock him, you know?ight at the last minute of some delegates making it official of 1237. here he is moving early and he will try around third base to keeping the baseball metaphor. it is going to be not as exciting. but i got the card this morning and it was happening. i am amazed. the whole year, the one thi thing -- i guess i get paid for is i know political history and the patterns and the cycles and the way things work and the way they have worked over the years. the great thing about covering politics is there is such a phenomenon of it. who would expect on the other side of what's going on over there and bernie sanders digging his feet in saying i am going to fight right through philadelphia hoping for a break of e-mail or whatever. this one is over, absolutely over. i wish i had an answer for you that i can understand why this happens the last minute but he's done and he's in. >> yes, chris, reflecting our conversation on the broadcast last night and any other nights going back months for that mat

or from him.they have deemed it necessary to keep him in administrative segregation. >> you never know what's going to come out day to day. today he'll be mild, moderate-type inmate. next day he wakes up, he's just in fight mode. >> i've been in over 1,000 fights. over 1,000. >> kelly says that his tendencies toward violence were born out of his experiences in prison. >> i had feces throwed at me, i got burned, you might see a little mark here where i got burned, hot baby oil. i done been stabbed, i done been cut, you know what i'm saying? all they did just make you more meaner, madder, crazier. when they get crazy, you got to get crazier. >> inmates who know kelly's reputation for violence refer to him by his ominous nickname. >> i call him dark side. >> he really do got that dark side in him. >> inmate kelly is known inside and outside the jail. >> for what? >> being darkside and crazy. >> when i get mad, you know, i don't think. i don't think, know what i'm saying? i just see black. that's why

so, i immediately liked him. he was the kind of man you ask any question he didn't think about the answer it was just what you saw is what you got. going back to the charming and handsome you can see all of the charisma. it was an immediate enjoyment. >> host: tell us about his early childhood and how it shaped him. >> guest: one of the critical moment in his life is at the age of ten he grew up at the catskills. they ran a bar and grill actually and eventually had plans to open th about to land rented out some rooms at the bar and grill and at the age of ten, his father died suddenly of a heart attack and the poignant part of the story was financially anyway is that he left the family with a quarter of a million dollars in debt. this was 1953 or so and his mother had no idea what she was going to do. so, this led to the feeling that she was always on intimate terms of debt and they paid back the obligation which she never wavered from and get feedback extraordinarily. the reason that also changed his life is tha

taye diggs, you've seen him in rent, you've seen him in wicked, you've seen him in how stella got her groove back -- [laughter] you've seen him in private practice and the good wife as well. >> guest: so long ago. hi there. >> host: first call for him is dorothy in haiti, missouri. dorothy, you're on booktv. good morning. >> caller: good morning. >> guest: good morning. >> caller: hello. >> host: dorothy -- >> guest: hello, hello. >> host: torte think, we're listening. please go ahead with your question or comment. >> caller: yes. my granddaughter, she's mixed, and she's absolutely beautiful, and she's in eighth grade. we kind of have a different sort of problem here in our school with her. she has problems with the black kids in school. we had to take her out of school and home school her. white kids have accepted her, but the black kids are the ones that are bullying her and giving her trouble. and, you know, yeah. yes, our town, we have a lot of prejudice in our town. we're a small, rural town, and, you know, it's there. but that's what has surprised us. so do you have any explanat

clowned him. clubbed him. criticized him. and what did he do? he shut9 the hell up. now, first of all, if negroes had done the same thing thing the first time he came at us going to morehouse college telling negroes ain't nobody going to give you nothing you didn't earn. nigger, please. [applause] here you are being the only black person that day who got a degree you didn't earn, because you got an honorary degree. and i'm not calling him a nigger. i don't want people to record this, i'm not calling obama a nigger, i'm saying, nigger, please, as in exclamation. [laughter] all right? so what i'm saying, you're the only person who got an honorary degree, and you spoke to them -- because i read the speech. he went out of his way to identify with white women who were victimized my sexism. so i'm saying can we get some of that. so this guy who has gone out of his way has not understood that you have got to challenge white people too. you can't always, as my pastors tell me about my congregation, you can't just shout at my people all the time, make 'em say hallelujah, you

more voted against him than voted for him. reach out and bring people into the tent at a time when the party needs that most. >> this is like patrick, donald trump continuing to shoot at his own side. like a general deciding his army is going to fight each other while they're moving towards the enemy. you have to unite and then strike out against your opponent. >> he sees there being plenty of time for that. when is donald trump going to get the respect he's due. that's what he wants. he believes he has put down jeb bush, put down ted cruz, did all of thus. and that phase for him now he needs to go and do the politics. you're right about what you said. he looks at it and keeps saying he wants the convention to be exciting and like a big show. he doesn't want windbag after windbaggetting up there and talking, talking, talking. i'm the one who can win, from his point of view, in a michigan, in a pennsylvania, in a wisconsin. follow me. i have this sort of formula. and from his point of view, and i would throw it kind of open. hi

and i spoke with him. basically gave him some words of wisdom. something to go off and think about on his journey. he a bright guy. so that's why i had a camaraderie with him. you still young, brother. you 19. you got your whole life ahead of you. you can do anything you want to. you can be anything you want to be. him being gone, it just lessened the individuals that i communicate with. >> now that last has gotten even shorter. he recently read the court newspaper and found out new information about one of his fellow inmates in administrative segregation. >> fred, the dude killed a little baby, man. i found out he killed an infant. when i found out about that, we can no longer be associates, man. because what type of man would i be to associate myself with a [ bleep ] like that? >> these are charges. nothing has been proven. but i mean hinkston has his opinions and he sticks by them. really he's just a big bully. and he's in here terrorizing people. that's what he does, i guess. that's what he's good at. >> coming up, things get messier in the a

charlie: who might have been him? never mind who might have ran, who might have beaten him?-k: not me, i don't think herlie: you had john kasich, was a very popular governor, you've got a senator, you've got people who are young and have a vision of the future -- mark: on paper it very strong, but i said that from the beginning that each of them was not perfect, they all have flaws, they all have flaws, and the thing about trump is -- charlie: he pointed them out. mark: he pointed them out and he is not encumbered by what the others were encumbered by. there are a lot of people at their like lindsey graham that believe this could be a disaster for them. a disaster. john boehner, another. yeah, it could be. i believe that if you were betting on any democrat because of the demographics, i believe that she is way ahead today, i believe that something will have to -- trump will have to be really almost flawless to win, she will have to make mistakes, but those who say he can't win, i think they're just wrong, and i think it is to soon to say what kind of general election oondida

i don't really know him. i met him once in person in 2012.e had a very good conversation in march on the phone. we just need to get to know each other. we as a leadership team are enjoying the fact that we have a chance to meet with him. sandra: meanwhile trump is reversing suggestion he made on sunday that he may not back house speaker ryan as convention chair. >> he is a very good man. he wants what is good for the party. i think we'll have positive results. i look frankly for him to stay and be chairman. i think he loves this party. he loves this country. he wants to see something good happen. i think we're going to do better if we're unified. sandra: what do you make of the change in tone coming from trump on paul ryan? >> i think trump is very savvy and clever. his method of negotiation make it clear he is willing to walk away from the table. he tells paul ryan, maybe you don't have to be the convention chair if you don't like me, that sent a signal, that showed ryan, trump wants to work with him but he will hold a tough line. he will no

called him my friend.fter the episode i think it was the episode where trump hesitated to disavow david duke. cruz refused to criticize him. as with a lot of other -- when i attacked john mccain. when you do that after all that time praising him, it looks to be insincere, and desperate. >> charles, thank you. >> my pleasure. >> well, hillary clinton is looking to shut the door tonight on bernie sanders. why donald trump says he could pick up some of bernie's supporters. >> and donald trump getting big-time celebrity support in indiana. former indiana hoosier's head coach bobby night joins us in just a couple of minutes. >> you folks are taking a look at the most prepared man in history to step in as president of the united states. just because someone grows older does that mean they have to grow apart from their friends, or from the things they love to do? with right at home, it doesn't. right at home's professional team thoughtfully selects caregivers to help with personal care, housekeeping, meals, and m

everyone was always trying to help him and ask if there's anything we could do for him. >> reporter:ome, there was shock of course there too. and yet, the heartbreaking story of charlie tan protecting his mom by any means necessary made some kind of weird sense. he was, after all, the kid who was always trying hard to help. >> people talk about him being selfless. >> yeah. >> he lives to help other people. >> yeah, he would do anything for people. >> reporter: close friend anna had a hard time wrapping her head around charlie doing anything violent. the charlie she knew was a thoughtful kid who did things no ordinary teenager did. >> my mom went through, like, cancer, and he was always there. he brought her, like, gifts and stuff. so he was always there supporting anybody. >> reporter: so, anna too would be there supporting charlie through this difficult time. a friend to the end. neither she nor anyone else could have guessed where the investigation was heading next. that the detective who'd examined the scene that night was wondering if there was more to this story. it was all obvi

>> certainly, we're going to talk with him when he's ready to talk and listen to him. we will take into account what he is asking for. i think that's part of the process. >> getting rid of super delegates, would you be in favor of that? >> i'm not going to negotiate with him today on your show. i'm going to say when it's time i'm reaching out to do my part to try to unify the party. i expect him to do the same. i did that when i lost a much closer race to senator obama. because i knew that whatever our differences were, just as whatever our differences are between me and senator sanders, they pale in comparison to donald trump and the republicans. and i think most of senator sanders' supporters understand that as well. >> would you -- he's accepted an invitation to debate in california before the california primary. have you thought about accepting that invitation? >> we'll consider it, but i'm really -- >> you're not ruling it out yet? >> i haven't thought about it. we'll consider it. i think what's important is we're not going to let, at least my campaign, is not goi

criticisms from people like him, the establishment always backfire and help trump and make him strongerked about the tax return, and i pushed him on that, because some people are saying that there is a degree of hypocrisy and he says no. and mitt romney says it is disqualifying to not release the return, and trump said he would. and mitt romney's statement today saying it is disquali disqualifying, and what do you think? >> well, this mitt romney has been trying to do the never trump thing for week now, and it has failed. he has no authority to say it is disqualifying. of course, trump should release the tax returns, but mitt romney is not the supreme court, but he is a failed candidate who is largely hated by the republican bas base. >> many of them are saying, you know, i won't bother to go to the convention, and my question is that as everybody is saying about the party unity, and party unity, and do you think that the american people or at least the gop, do they think that the voters even care about party unity? >> no. i think that trump is his own brand, and i'm not a trump fan, i

that's why people i think trusted him even people who disagreed with him trusted him, liked him and votedor him. >> donald trump is not necessarily a big tent. >> i agree with that. we also have to keep in mind many people say reagan was a movie star and celebrity and trump's a celebrity candidate but ronald reagan was a two term governor of california that had one of the most important economies in the world that he oversaw so he lerarned the art f negotiation. trump comes like somebody who is his own boss and likes to give direct orders and that's a tough propositi proposition. i agree with michael that ronald reagan tried to give a helping hand and lift people up and make people feel better. donald trump likes to put people down and insult them. their styles are different. >> you said coo. here is what paul manafort said today. he said how trump is going to approach the presidency. he said he sees himself more as the chairman of the board than a ceo. >> that's exactly what i'm saying. we don't have a lot of american history of business people succeeding. wilkey was the republican nomin

he was healing person store, she, she wanted him to watch the store for him. he told me, he said 1962, in georgetown, store clerk most likely would not have asked me to watch their store while they went on the street. in that type of dignity bestowed upon him it almost brought tears to his eyes. of course he said if anybody would have come in and tried to harm her store in any way he would've fought him to the death. that is just a lovely littleknoi moment about history, his mindset, what, what he took from his travels around the world with these presidents. that really stands out. >> he seems to come according to your book have a somewhat special relationship with dwight eisenhower and with greg and. >> guest: yes he did. with eisenhower connection mr. allen son, charles was going to school in 1954 when the epic of brown versus board of education decision came down from the supreme court. deseg desegregating the american public school system. so you have a father who is a butler walking into the white house looking at this president knowing that socially the

but i need to let him know -- let him be assured that his family's here to support him.e to see my son, carlton solomon. yes, sir. i'm a little ashamed that i have to come in this type of environment to see my son behind bars. >> go to number 18 -- >> thank you. carlton come from a family that don't drink, don't smoke, don't gamble, don't -- he came from that kind of family. he came from a family that went to church. he came from a family that was independent. i couldn't understand why carlton was drawn to the street. carlton told me that he was bored. carlton was being pulled through the streets, and they had a great way of doing it. >> solomon says while he was away in the military, his young son fell in with the wrong crowd. >> they'll find a weakness in a child and exploit the weakness. once they introduce him to alcohol, they give him more alcohol. from that point then, they give him reefer. from that point, they put something in the reefer. next thing you know, he's got a habit. i didn't find out until he was arrested that he had a habit that dealt with a little co

i just beat him to the punch. i hit him with two.ext time he think about approaching somebody like me, that's what he got to think about. i'm gonna hit my head again. >> according to jail records, this isn't lackey's first assault inside the jail. >> looks like there was a fight before the inmate lips fight. again, he assaulted another inmate and got 15 days lock in. so that is two assault. within less than a month apart. >> i don't be regretting nothing i do, you feel me. because it be reason for everything. >> according to lackey, the fight results from lips talking to others about lackey's reputation. >> couple guys let me know he be saying in the room later. and i got tired of it. don't be painting pictures to other people just because you feel some type of way. we all grown men. >> he is a bully. he likes to prey on the weak. he doesn't feel that he should have to ask for anything. he just likes to take it from you. he likes to be the leader basically of a pod. >> lackey says he wasn't extorting nobody. >> it wasn't extortion ri

run against him.be playing back my words and saying, you said this about him then and now you're saying something different. i think it's best for the party, for the ticket, to have someone who more fully embraces his views on things. >> those of us who cover politics and those of your fans watching us right now, we should think this is not the end of it for you, you think you will likely run, if not for president again, something that will -- >> yeah, i think that's a safe assumption. but i don't know where i'm going to be in two years. check back in two years. that's always the caveat. two careers fryears from now, p working on a project that i don't want to walk away from, maybe i need to spend more time with my kids. my kids did extraordinarily well in this race. i told people, it's been mostly a positive experience for them. the time away wasn't always positive, but for them it was a great experience. they want to go to the iowa state fair this year. i say, people will think it's political, but i