unit 731 was established in 1936 by the secret order of emperor hirohito. i saw the order with my own eyes when i served as head of unit 73 one's general department. tribunal transcript major general cummings she mckee oh she's interrogation or colonel. says so she's a little short in the door used as though she dozed off on the c.t.o. course because she don't know mamma. thought you mean you know we do you want to know cause all singed don't just say so long as you hold little chose your knees or go eat a lot short then get. there you'll know when to shorten your hate i even feed. it was. no no coconuts you walk us without the kids we waited till till then the law made in. general sujit decreed them nor of some cool sock with the 3 bulls policy which said kill all. neutral. mass killings took place killing from the japanese occupied territories. in just 6 weeks more than 300000 people were tortured and killed in king japanese soldiers believed that they represented an exceptional nation not a license to do anything. on the ng in. those who don't know or th

not state actors, you don't know-- you don't have a clear victory, you don't have mcarthur, and hirohitod so, you had this entire apparatus of security that's grown up that is somewhat perpetual, and i think one of the big jobs i had was to try to, first of all, not make that the end-all and be-all of our foreign policy, to try to create legal structures around it, and i think that i was successful in a lot of respects, but there are some areas, like closing guantanamo, that i couldn't get it done. >> stephen: were you surprised you couldn't get it done? >> yes. >> stephen: and when you got in there you went, oh. this isn't one move, there are actually chess pieces involved here. there are pressures at play here, deliberately established? so, that-- >> yes. >> stephen: it couldn't be, even though it could be created by fiat, it could not be undone by fiat? >> i was surprised as commander- in-chief i could not shut down a facility that was both unnecessary and, in my view, contrary to our legal traditions. >> stephen: did you ever ask for information and they said we can't tell you? >> no