on august 9, 1945, 3 days after the bombing of hiroshima, the united states dropped the atomic bomb on the town of nagasaki. next on history bookshelf susan , southard talks about the the bomb had on the city and its people. this was recorded in tempe, arizona in 2015. it is just under one hour. >> susan southard is one of this community and that's what makes this event very special. she holds an msa in creative writing from antioch university in los angeles and was a non--- she lives and works in tempe, where she is the founder and artistic director of essential theater. she has taught nonfiction classes at arizona state universities piper studio, and she has directed creative writing programs for incarcerated youth and at a federal prison for women outside of phoenix. she has also raised her family here. as a matter of fact, her daughter was once a junior staffer in our kids section. let me tell you, she was the darling of the kids book department, not only for her love of books but also for her , personal winning smile much like her mother's. so you can see susan and her family have

>> on august 9, 1945, four days after the bombing of hiroshima, the united states dropped the atomic bomb on the town of nagasaki. susan southard talks about the people from the morning was him today, august 92015 marks the 70 anniversary of the u.s. bombing of not psaki. it is just under one hour. >> susan southard is one of this community and that's what makes this event so special. susan southard holds an mba from antioch. she lives and works in tempe. where she is the founder and artistic director of essential theater. she has taught nonfiction classes at her estate universities studio and directed creative writing programs for incarcerated youth and at a federal prison for women outside of phoenix. she has also raised her family here. as a matter of fact her daughter was once a junior staffer in our kids section. she was the darling of the kids not only for her love of looks but also for her personal winning smile much like her mother's. so you can see susan and her family have been one of our regular patrons and readers for many years now and one of our dearest friends. so for

(dramatic music) - [radio host] a short time ago, an american airplane dropped one bomb on hiroshima. that bomb has more power than 20,000 tons of tnt. - [narrator] the seeds of nuclear proliferation were sown when the us attacked hiroshima and nagasaki at the end of world war ii. it was mankind's first exposure to a weapon that would forever alter the calculus of war. - the introduction of then called atomic weapons in 1945 had a very significant impact on geopolitics. at the time, i think all leaders were aware that this was something qualitatively different, they weren't sure what it meant. when one plane can inflict the same level of damage that it previously took thousands of planes and maybe multiple raids by thousands of planes to inflict, i think everyone realized things would be different. - the ending of world war ii brought victory but it also brought a whole set of complicated issues, that is, what would war look like in the future when the very possibility of total annihilation was now on the table through the delivery of one bomb? - [narrator] like the us, the soviet uni

. >> on august 9, 1945, four days after the bombing of hiroshima, the united states dropped the atomicomb on the town of nagasaki. susan southard talks about the people from the morning was him today, august 92015 marks the 70 anniversary of the u.s. bombing of not psaki. it is just under one hour. >> susan southard is one of this community and that's what makes this event so special. susan southard holds an mba from antioch.

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most profoundly, i saw the emotional outpouring after president obama's visit to hiroshima showed the peoples and nations that they could overcome the wounds of the past to build a more peaceful world. as i stood in the peace park in front of its eternal flame i could not help but think of my father's own work on limited nuclear testing treaty and how honored i am to know these two great men. people say it is hard to come home after being an ambassador, and it is like moving back into college from your own room. i have changed. i have made new friend, and i have grown up, but everyone treats me just the same. in my case, that means that i get to resume one of the most demanding responsibilities which is introducing other members of my family [ laughter ] it used to be teddy here at this dinner, and now it is someone who adoreded him and who i adore and who has pitched in to help me here and in japan, and the youngest and not the quietest member of the profile in courage committee, jack schlossberg. >> thank you, mother, for that kind introduction. and once again, thank you for bringin

the soviet union declared a moratorium on nuclear weapons 1985.s of august 6, the anniversary of hiroshimathey stopped testing and pledged to -- not do it as long as we did. in spite of this pledge the united states continued testing even after the soviets stop. notice of its have announced that they will resume testing because we have not stopped. >> the first secretary caspar weinberger -- the defense testingy -- continued is essential. cap are hints of test ban would undermine the credibility of our deterrent -- our opponents would know we are not allowed to test. we would not be able to verify whether they were cheering to it or not. --adhering to it or not. we think in every way -- that of the competence of test ban -- would have the opposite effect. >> quite frankly i would like to see both sides lose confidence. it will be a deterrent in terms of first use. >> we cannot extort -- ignore the soviet union. but will more weapons make us more secure? albert einstein said, the atomic change -- age tanked everything except the way we think. we still ask the stone-age question is first and

the anniversary of hiroshima. they stopped testing and pledged not to resume as long as we did. this pledge the united states continued testing even after the soviets stop. the soviets have announced they will resume testing because we have not stopped. caspar weinberger. testing isberger: essential and a comprehensive test ban would undermine the credibility of our deterrent. our opponents would know we were not allowed to test. we would not be able to verify were --adhering to it or not. it would prevent the necessary modernization. we think that or the comprehensive test ban treaty what have the opposite effect that it sponsors intend. quite frankly, i would like to see both sides lose confidence in their nuclear weapons. it will be a deterrent in terms of first use. paul: we cannot ignore the strength of the soviet union. but will more weapons make us more secure? albert einstein said, the atomic age changed everything, except the way we think. we still ask the stone-age question is first and who is second. in the atomic age, at some point, the concept of -- of who is first

it produced most of the plutonium for the us military program, including the bombs dropped on hiroshima and nagasaki. it has been closed there for 30 years. it's going to take a significant federal work force and state oversight to clean up the enormous mess left by the weapons production process. >> this was a really troubling headline today. matt gutman live with us tonight. workers told to shelter in place you learned there was a tour group inside the site within this happened? >> reporter: that's right, david a public tour, now it was cancelled as soon as that cave-in was discovered. we're told no one was exposed. even at decommission sites like this, nuclear materials can be remain radio active for thousands of years >>> we turn next to a troubling new case a new brawl breaking out on a passenger plane, an altercation between passengers while on the tarmac, a flight attendant caught in the middle. and it comes after the chaos we saw overnight at the ft. lauderdale airport. so many american passengers asking, what's happening? here's abc's david kerley. >> reporter: another sign of

we had bombed hiroshima, then the soviets had the technology by 1949.yber, it is much more compressed. the other thing we learned is that the cost of entry is so low powers can develop these. the sony attack was done by north korea. if i was the north koreans looking at the flotilla off of my coast and the american overwhelming presence, military presence in asia, i would be thinking that cyberattacks on the united aids would probably be the -- the united states would probably be the most threatening. they were already pretty successful in the sony case. a broken, bankrupt country halfway around the world managed to destroy 70% of the computers at sony detainment because they didn't like a movie about kim jong-un. in that movie, but they didn't like it. ben: it was pretty good. [laughter] david sanger, ben rhodes, thank you very much. we will be right back. ♪ charlie: joe dimaggio is widely considered one of the best ballplayers in history. in his 13 years with the new york yankees, he got batting titles, hit 361 home runs, and played in nine world seri

the largest bomb in the history of the world since the atomic bombing of hiroshima and nagasaki.s followed last week's bombing of syria and the continued u.s.-backed bombing in yemen. your thoughts? now, i'm not the president of the republic, but i would tell -- i will tell you what we would have said as president. without a shadow of a doubt we , are against that kind of action. why? i don't think it resolves the first, problem of isis. why do i think that this kind of repression isn't the appropriate approach? what i've read in the united states newspapers is that often times when bombing syria or afghanistan -- well, i know there is no dialogue with ices. with isis, it is a different kind of relationship. but what has happened is that when bombing civilians and allies are killed. so i ask myself what's the point of such an action if it's going to kill civilians and allies? what might someone think who's living in syria or anywhere and all of a sudden a bomb is dropped? i think it's extremely dangerous because those groups don't gauge consequences. it's a very radical policy. s

it takes most of america by surprise, august 6th an atomic bomb on hiroshima, august 9th on nagasaki and congress were out of session and the planners did not have a chance to send their programs and immediately truman wants to get them into session but by this time some of the congressmen you know what? this 94% tax i don't think is going to get america back on track. the keynesians completely believed it. here's truman secretary of treasury gives you, where the americans were to favor this kind of intervention. lord commander keynes came out with this idea that you need public works, stimulate aggregate demand, lots of government intervention and you will eliminate unemployment through that. and so what secretary of treasury vincent, another kentuckian by the way, fred vincent, truman's secretary of treasury says, quote -- he says this right after the war the japanese have surrendered and he wants massive government intervention and he says history shows us, business, labor, agriculture cannot ensure them the maintenance of high levels of production and employment. in other words,

>> ferencz: do you think the man who dropped the nuclear bomb on hiroshima was a savage?l you something very profound, which i have learned after many years: war makes murderers out of otherwise decent people. all wars and all decent people. >> stahl: so, ferencz has spent the rest of his life trying to deter war and war crimes by establishing an international court like nuremberg. he scored a victory when the international criminal court in the hague was created in 1998. he delivered the closing argument in the court's first case. now, you've been at this for 50 years, if not more. we've had genocide since then. >> ferencz: yes. >> stahl: in cambodia. >> ferencz: going on right this minute, yes. >> stahl: going on right this minute in sudan. >> ferencz: yes. >> stahl: we've had rwanda, we've had bosnia. you're not getting very far. >> ferencz: well, don't say that. people get discouraged. they should remember, from me, it takes courage not to be discouraged. >> stahl: did anybody ever say that you're naive? >> ferencz: of course. some people say i'm crazy. >> stahl: are

an atomic bomb on hiroshima august 9, on nagasaki. congress is out of session in the war is over. the planners had not had a chance to come in with their programs. admittedly, truman wants to get them back into session, by this time, some of the congressmen were saying, you know what, this 94% tax will not get america back on track. here is truman's secretary of treasury, gives you an idea where the americans were who favor this kind of intervention. attains had come out with his ideas -- he came out with ideas that you needed lots of intervention and you would eliminate unemployment through that. secretary of treasury vincent, fred vincent, truman's secretary of treasury says, quote -- the japanese have surrendered and he wants massive government and omission and says history shows us this agriculture can not end and maintenance of high level of maintenance and employment. in other words, markets don't work. the government must assume responsibility and take measures to make the issues. a reporter completely agrees, as to many other reporters. stones has come a new men, new ideas

we exploded the bomb for the first time in hiroshima and nag sacki in 1945, and the soviets had the weapons by 19496789 and the amazing thing is that there are only sort of nine nuclear powers is today. in cyberrer it's much more compressed and the other thing that we have learned is the most of entry is so low that poor po-- powers, weak powers can develop these, the sony attack was done by north korea. if i was the north koreans and 50eu78's looking at the flot ila off of my coast and the american overwhelming presence, military presence in asia, i think i would be thinking that cyberattacks on the united states would probably be the moos effective way, not any missile you could shoot off or a nuclear weapon you could threaten. and they already were pretty successful in the sony case. i mean a broken, bankrupt country halfway around the world managed to destroy 70% of the computers sat on sony pictures because they didn't like a movie about kim jung you know, a bad movie but they didn't like the movie. >> that was pretty good. >> david sanger, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> thank, ch

in terms of its power of 15 to 20 kilotons, approximately the size of the nuclear bomb dropped on hiroshima. and while this yield was not as large as they were expecting, the tests again on the nuclear sides showed steady progress. in their nuclear program and steady progress in their ballistic missile program. so what does all this mean? why is kim jong-un testing so often, and even though he fails, he's still learning? that's exactly what the commander of u.s. strategic command said last week -- or last month during a senate armed services hearing. general john heighton stated north korea is going test, fail, test, fail, succeed, and they're learning, and as you can see them learning, they're developing the capabilities for intercontinental ballistic missiles. that's how it works in the rocket business. so, mr. president, that's happening right now. that's happening right now. that's in the news right now. and also in the news is what the u.s. has been doing for our allies, to protect our allies from this and other threats. so let me give you an example. there has been a lot of news about

years as those faded into memory with those unintended consequences i read about those people in hiroshima of who are working with the survivors person to person contact where they assign themselves to the individuals everything that they know to the best that they can to carry on that memory some people are trying to keep that alive it is so important we don't forget that. >> the last survivors are passing the direct memory into museums and with this exhibit called deep time over the last seven years it is open 779 days. but that time it will pass in a flash is a cool exhibit because it stars the formation of the earth and then it goes into the future in takes use some distance into the anthropocene to look back into the future of life on the planet that most prehistoric is of mammoth dinosaurs but in fact, to park that where that belongs. bettis 779 days mark the calendar. that to be an early party but the role is to help people deal with time we are worried about in the sense of what's for lunch but 33 years from now on or 70 years from now but is one of the things. what about time trav

. >> i read about these people in hiroshima. who are working with the survivors and they are individual person-to-person fx where there are people who are taking this role where they will assign himself to an individual who survived that and talk to them and learn everything they know about him as best they can to carry on that memory so it's a very haunting description of people trying to keep out alive because it's so important. >> we have the same thing in washington at the holocaust museum, the last survivors are passing, the direct memory passes into the space of museums which are forever places and that's one of the roles of museums is to own time and we own the time and it would be highly remiss of me not to mention this exhibit called the time that we are building, we've been building it for the last seven years and it opens up stairs in the 779 days. >> on june 8, 2019. at that time is going to pass in a flash, i guarantee you but it's a very cool exhibit because it's the entire history of life on earth, and formation o

hiroshima was 15-kilotons.e issue will not be a question if they're going to have the capability but when. so we are unfortunately a point where action has to be taken either by us or through the chinese. but this man obviously showing that he is not slowing down in his desire to have a weapon but i don't think he has got it yet. neil: he is pretty close. routinely a lot of experts poo-poo his missiles off course. this one was a little off course but i'm looking at the world reaction, he is nowhere close. he is getting closer with each shot, right? >> he certainly is and one of the biggest things holding him back, when you're talking about an intercontinental ballistic missiles, that has to go into space and reenter the atmosphere, that cone on top for the heat is very, very difficult technology. as i'm sure you're a big fan of "star wars." it is hard to get that thing back in. i don't think they're anywhere close to having that, neil. neil: i look for yoda. you and i talked about this before, ben, how do we us

nuclear test registered 5.3 magnitude between 10 and 30 kilotons which was the same as it was in hiroshima and nagasaki and ten times stronger than what north korea was able to do ten years before. so you've gone over that period of time. when we talk to the military and we will have them in on thursday, i understand. i know they'll say that the two big problems that distinguish the threat that comes from north korea from other threats is that, first of all, you're talking about a mentally deranged guy who's making the decisions. and secondly, this country has been more consistent in both developing its weapon and the delivery system. and come to the conclusion that as i've come to, i believe that there's an argument that could pose the greatest threat to the united states. i'd like to get a response if you would, dr. cha. first of all, are we accurate in terms of that technological development over that period of time, and does that relate to the threat? >> thank you, senator. i think what you've just described is entirely accurate in terms of a systematic plan by the north koreans over t

on august 9, 1945, 3 days after the bombing of hiroshima, the united states dropped the atomic bomb on the town of nagasaki. next on history bookshelf susan , southard talks about the fx