i'm going with commissioner hirsch on this as well. all right. >> commissioner: if i may -- >> commissioner turman: then push the button if you want to speak. >> commissioner: as far as the consistency i'd like to ask our city attorney are 5.01 consistent with case laws, correct? >> no, it's not. you've asked for a higher standard than what the legal parameters were and what you adopted as a commission. >> commissioner turman: so we have a higher standard and hirsch pushed it up further which i don't think say bad thing. okay. commissioners, could i get a straw understanding of what commissioners feel on what commissioner hirsch has put forward. >> commissioner turman: i'm going to ask you to read it. i'm going to ask you to read it so if he public here's -- hears it one more time. >> commissioner: i just got these yet. an officer may activate the ecd when a subject is one, armed with a weapon other than a firearm such as an edged weapon or a blunt object and the subject is causing immediate physical injury to a person or threatening t

commissioner hirsch? >> commissioner hirsch: first of all, chief, i do hope you're here next year and beyond. >> i do, too. >> commissioner hirsch: one of the reasons that i was convinced that i would vote ultimately for tazers is i spent a lot of time in oakland. i spent time with leonicio in person and i talked to him on the phone, and i became convinced that somebody has to have the expertise and oversight. it sounds like you're in agreement with that, so i don't understand where there's a conflict if we put somebody in who takes ownership of the whole program. we know you're at the top. you're at the top of everything the department does, but you're an extremely busy human being, and i think the commission and the public is entitled to know who's taking ownership for one of these really controversial weapons that we're introducing. [ inaudible ] >> president turman: okay. commissioner ong hing? >> commissioner ong hing: yeah. as you know, i was opposed to the vote in november , but one of the things t

commissioner hirsch? >> commissioner hirsch: i think i now get it, i didn't get it when i read the language. you're going to have the officer involved shooting board review both weapons -- incidents involving both of the weapons. >> yes, sir. >> commissioner hirsch: and so i just think we need to say that clearly somewhere so we know that the tazer use will also be investigated by that same board. >> president turman: well, if it's just a tazer used, it's this board. >> commissioner hirsch: no, it's both. i'm saying when interests ther and the tazer used, the tazer will also be reviewed by the ois. >> and may i add the chair of the ois board can bring in whatever subject matter expert they need to, so members of the ec board or whatever board the subject matter expert can be brought to the ois review to give that expertise or lend that expertise to the process. >> commissioner hirsch: so my question is, does the language support the concept? [ inaudible ] >> commissioner hirsch: well, the dpa is saying we

as per commissioner hirsch's request. i'll let you take item four. ahead. >> i found a lot of the language in item four on several sides -- >> commissioner: would you say with the item is. -- >> i find it confusing. >> commissioner turman: so item four is resisting an officer's attempt to detain or arrest a subject. go. >> commissioner: i have language they would like to suggest that we substitute for those four bullet points currently in the draft and i'll just read it. an officer may activate the ecd when subject is armed with a weapon other than a firearm such as an edged weapon, blunt object and the subject is causing immediate physical injury to a person or threatening to cause injury when there's a reasonable believe that subject has the intent and capability of carrying out the threat. i use the word person -- we don't need to add officer, a person covers everybody. i have two copies i can pass out but that's it because i think they otherwise have to be available to the public. >> secretary kilshaw: are you going number one and then -- >> comm

commissioner hirsch? >> commissioner hirsch: i need a clarification now on the hours of training that are required. i heard you say that there are a 40/20 hour training fiermt. >> president turman: right. >> commissioner hirsch: i've also heard that there are not. >> president turman: the traini training that is notes in the policies are a 40 hour and 20 hour course. >> commissioner hirsch: okay. thank you. >> president turman: commissioner mazzucco? >> commissioner mazzucco: i just want to add the bar association brought up about the iad's being in the car. i know that's part of it. i saw an e-mail about it, is that something that we're doing, chief, that we're starting to equip all of our vehicles at this point. >> we have the funding, so in the implementation phase of rolling this out -- >> so by the time we roll this out, every vehicle will have an iad. >> commissioner dejesus: point of clarification, i think the bar association was worried that everyone would have tazers. police on horses, police on

. >> commissioner turman: common comments, emergency hirsch >> commissioner: we don't have a comment. >> commissioner turman: commissioner. >> commissioner: this i need clarification on. i see this provide summary. this is adjusting what type of information should be in the report and it says the report will address it's hard to read this thing -- will address something and recommendations make de-escalation is this saying the type of information that should be in the summary of the report provided to the chief or this commission with specifics? is that something the sheriff's department does now. is that following -- okay. i need clarification on what we're asking here. >> it provides summaries to the 96a report, provides summaries on ecds. the review board -- the process of the review board will do a lot of that and we're tying this to 96a which we're in the process of retooling senate bill 953. we believe it's already been done but at the review board process. >> commissioner: what i'm hearing there's some requirements one with the state and one with the board of supervisors but al

commissioner hirsch. >> are we going to be asked to approve the document? >> the document is not calendared for discussion. it will be taken up during our next meeting. next question. >> you know, i just want to say if you don't mind thank you for clarifying. i did hear the attorney general was going to have oversight over the police department and the radio. i was confused. i appreciate the clarification. >> the document has been posted to the d.o.j. site and to the san francisco police department. we cannot comment on the document or recognize it because it has not had a proper posting. anier questions, -- any other questions, commissioners? >> i will save it for when we talk about the document. i am kind of stunned at the process. >> that will make two of us. any other questions? commissioners, any other reports? next issue. >> item 2d announcements and those identified for future committee meetings action. >> okay. any items for the commissioner hearing. >> yes, in consultation with the city attorney's office and sergeant kilshaw, based on the discussio

>> commissioner hirsch: yes. i'm still hearing from the dpa that our language does not include 40 hours of c.i.t. training. that includes only the field tactics training which is 20 hours. i'm voting on this with the representation and the belief that it's 40. >> president turman: and that was the representation that i got at the -- at the stakeholders group, and that's what i specifically said should be included. what is -- what is the position of the department? >> the department -- the department does not object to the 40-hour training. who can argue with more training? >> president turman: you what? >> who can argue with more training. we can't object to that. >> president turman: so the training now the 40-hour training and the 20-hour training. >> commissioner, i don't believe it spells it out. >> president turman: it doesn't say 40 and 20, but the two trainings, i understand, are 40 hours and 20 hours. is that correct? >> that is correct. it doesn't state that. >> president turman: it doesn't state the num

commission commission commission commission commission commissioner hirsch has a comment. >> there isothers me in the document and i want to suggest we change it. on page 6, it says when a bulletin substantially modifies a general order, it goes on and will be submitted to the police commission. i don't like the word substantially. i don't think that is the intent of the charter. a bulletin is not supposed to be able to substantially modify a general order or modify an order at all. to me if we take the word substantially out and it will come to the commission, and i would prefer that. i don't know what substantially mean, and it is open to abowusa. i would make a motion to amend this document by deleting that word substantially. >> you have to make a motion -- you have to ask the maker of the motion to accept your amendment. >> well, if we're following robert's rules of order, i don't actually. >> what i will do at this point in time is move to amend my motion to eliminate the word substantially as described by commissioner hirsch. that is a very good catch on his part. there should

sources tell lauren hirsch, toys r us is preparing for liquidation of u.s.usiness after it missed a payment to one of the vendors u.s. bankruptcy law gives companies 210 days to renegotiate all leases from date of the chapter 11 bankruptcy filing today is day 177 so when time runs out for negotiations, bankruptcy experts say it is rare liquidation isn't the result for retailers we're almost there separately, walmart has rollout of same day grocery delivery after testing in six cities. they plan to serve 40% of u.s. households by year end with online grocery ordering and same day delivery they'll use uber and other methods to get it to you they'll add other partners on the way. the order needs to be at least $30. there's a $9.95 delivery fee but no membership. a thousand stores will be added by year end. a lot to talk about in the world of retail. when it comes to grocery delivery, that war is heating up, but it is a difficult game to play, especially here in the u.s. there's a number of issues, not the least of which we're less dense than other areas in euro

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matthew hirsch from san francisco never tweet -- treated wong but is an expert in mental illness. >>know if at all ptsd played any part in this gunman's behavior. but if it did, it would be one component, not necessarily the complete information. >> the doctor says the majority of people with mental illness do not usually engage in violence. >>> our coverage from yountville continues at ktvu.com. you will find more on our stories on the three women who lost their lives as well as that veterans home in yountville. >>> conservative speaker ann coulter, whose appearance was canceled at uc berkeley last year, is expected to speak at a private event tonight. harassment joins us now from outside the community center where the meeting is supposed to take place. alley? >> yes, the event is organized by a group called the liberty forms for sale -- silicon valley. they described themselves as a conservative organization. according to the facebook page, ann coulter will speak to a sold-out crowd of about 600 members with the organization. that's scheduled to happen at the ifb f community hall a

austria marcel hirsch are also ended his season on a winning note in sweden the double olympic champion from kyung chang getting his fifty eighth career victory in the giant slalom for sure how to wrapped up the world title and a seventh successive overall championship two weeks ago. and that's all your support for now more later. for a thank you know the parties going on around the world for islands national holiday almost three hundred eleven knots and forty eight countries going green tomatoes and patrick's day cutting that evening tiled piece great wall of china in the u.s. city of chicago the river was dyed emerald green for the city's annual parade well the day began as a religious holiday or not and but as long been celebrated in other nations as well that's it for me they are. hard. a new poll ranks mexico city is the pull first in the world for sexual violence many women are attacked while moving in the crowded spaces of the metro buses and even at the hands of taxi drivers the conversation starts with do you have a boyfriend to your very pretty and young you feel unsafe threat

austria marcel hirsch are also ended his season on a winning note in sweden the double olympic champion from young chang getting his fifty eighth career victory in the giant slalom for sure how to wrapped up the world title and a seventh successive overall championship two weeks ago. and that's all your sport for now it's now back to sue in london. now the price of one sweet treat has reached record breaking levels this is the world's most expensive chocolates on display in portugal is worth almost ten thousand dollars company an edible gold inside is a feeling of threads white truffle vanilla from other gold flakes and to add to the weighty price tag its crown shaped box is decorated with five and a half thousand crystals set for me so tired of this news hour but i will be back in a moment with more of the day's. work . the street is quiet the signal is given. out so it's safe to walk to school last year there are more than thirty metres in this community in one month the police say this area is a red zone one of several in some townships in cape town children sometimes are caught in t

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>> you may remember toys "r" us filed for bankruptcy in september, this is from cnbc.com's lauren hirsch citing sources that toys "r" us are prepping for the liquidation of the u.s. operations and the situation regarding toys "r" us's u.s.operations remains fluid so we wanted to bring you that brief update. >> they had a lousy christmas and things weren't looking good. >> a failed lbo so that was part of the story with toys "r" us. >> we have not gotten our money's worth. >> to wrap a little bit of this up what's interesting is in january, up through january it was everything's good and getting better and what's the bull case today something we thought was going to be bad called tariffs might not be as bad or bond yields are going up but maybe not as much as we thought. i think that's what explains a more volatile market a little more of a two-way market and we have too see when those things we agree on are good like corporate profits and growth maybe finally reflected more in the market or in the conversation right now it's just a little bit of a less clear path than we had last year in