and this was in 9 hispani in thc communities and he a smile on his face. and he said, i was happy to read one of your papers that two people had their premiums doubled. and i stopped, and i said, you're happy? that made you happy? look into your soul. i said. why are people happy over there? how do you say i love my country but i don't care if my country defaults? i want to show you what president ronald reagan said about defaulting, not paying our bills. president ronald reagan, the beloved president of the republicans and many democrats. he came from my state. one of the most popular presidents in the history of our country. we've got air

john: the editor took uphe dispatcher asking, is the whi, black, hispani, was left just this. >> ts guye his up to no good. he looks black. john: look, and television, we ways -- maybe he was just -- >> no, that was just very inappropriate and the wrong ing to do. anything about race is emotional and it drives the headline. eerly on with this case, this investigation, it was always about race when, in fact, it wasn't. john: seventh blacks been victims in america? >> years ago john. black individuals did not have access to edution, housing, jobs. times have changed, and we don't live in that era anymore. john: let's talk about affirmative action, given america's history of discrimination, it seems reasonable to me that whites should try to make amends, tried to give a break to minorities grace that i had. what is wrong wh that? before you answer, let's bring in a white person who opposes affirmative action. jennifer gratz was denied admission to the university of michigan,ou say because you are white. aviano was because of your race? >> well, they're proud of the fact that they use race

it has a lot of problems with women, with young people, with hispani hispanics.ma won the postgraduate vote by 16 percentage points. the u.s. chamber of commerce, business roundtable, wall street, these people are waking up realizing they have empowered these republican populists. i think that's going to be a big move away from -- >> your response, ann. >> -- republican party by business. >> republicans have historically been the populist party of the vast middle class. we are not the party of -- contrary you, larry. it's not the party of amnesty. >> not the party of immigration reform that helps the economy grow. >> amnesty, amnesty, amnesty. no, it's a disaster for african-americans, it's a disaster of the mexicans. great. let the chamber of commerce go and what's great is it shows they're willing to fight on obama care. this idea that we're going to trade the sequester to start arguing about entitlements? no. we lose on entitlements. the american public doesn't want to have it smaller. then you name could we raise the age for social security? no, they never wa

and this was in 9 hispani in thc communities and he a smile on his face. and he said, i was happy to read one of your papers that two people had their premiums doubled. and i stopped, and i said, you're happy? that made you happy? look into your soul. i said. why are people happy over there? how do you say i love my country but i don't care if my country defaults? i want to show you what president ronald reagan said about defaulting, not paying our bills. president ronald reagan, the beloved president of the republicans and many democrats. he came from my state. one of the most popular presidents in the history of our country. we've got airports named after him. we have got buildings named after him. why don't we see what he said about default? and just know, when he was president, republicans and democrats raised the debt ceiling no less than 18 times, i say to my friend. 18 times we raised the debt ceiling because, yeah, we had a debt from prior bills and ronald reagan said send me a debt ceiling increase. look what he says. he said -- "the full conseque

marginally popular among hispani hispanics. very unpopular amongst white. what are the implications on this issue of politics polarized not just by party but by race? >> what i'd say, john, is when you break out what's actually in the affordable care act, it's bipolar among all groups. if you ask the ordinary person, do you think it's a good thing that insurance companies have to let young people stay on their parents' plan until they're 26? absolutely. do you think it's a good idea that insurance companies have to spend 80% of premiums on people's health care and not on administrative costs? absolutely. do you think it's a good idea that people with preexisting conditions should be able to get health insurance? they say yes. so, the challenge we have with the health care law is similar to the challenge we've had in our politics more broadly. and that is that there have been caricatures of what we've been trying to do. there's always been some levels of polarization in our politics. those have gotten worse, in part because of gerrymandering. members of cong