hispanic. -- we cout you as hispanic.g things to note about the latino community. it is interesting that even though we have these terms of hispanic or latino, all our opinion shows that when it comes to these terms, half of hispanics do not like either term. they most often prefer their country of origin term or ancestral homeland term. host: we will put the phone numbers on the screen for your involvement in this segment. it is on the hispanic community in the u.s. if you would like to make a comment, you are welcome to. there has been discussion about hispanic political activity and what that means for the 2008 election. going back to definitions, all of you have seen the official government question. they brought them along today. you can see how the government establishes the identity of people answering questions. let me ask you when we look at these numbers, do they include people who are here legally and illegally? guest: the numbers i am going to talk about in the upcoming discussion includes everybody. we have n

and so for hispanics that is how that issue comes to play, hispanics are not in favor of illegal immigration, i think the way you generate more revenue for government the way you do it is through more taxpayers not more taxes you find people jobs, people work, they make more money at the jobs and they pay more taxes, the government takes that revenue and uses it to pay down the debt, not to grow the government, that is where i think i want us to focus and look here is a very telling thing that really struck me the other day i finished care row's latest book. >> rose: of lyndon johnson. >> yes about lyndon johnson and one of the things he took on was kennedy's tax cuts and the reason why kennedy wanted to pass tax cuts is to generate revenue, so what changed in the democratic party, president kennedy and president i don't know son believed the way they could generate the revenue for government they wanted in order to pay for the things they wanted to pay for is by lowering tax rates, why has that now changed? now i am not saying that is necessarily the challenge today, i think more of a chall

first of all, why is it that hispanics or new immigrants among hispanics are dropping so drastically, and secondly, do you think the sea change might ultimately maybe not in this election, but ultimately, make the hispanic vote less important? >> i think one is just the economy. the economy is sound way for individuals to go back to their country. and also -- >> but why? >> there is also increased nsion via self deportation, mitt romney talked about four months ago. it's something that has been happening at local community levels. so there is a sense of, we have to pack our bags and leave. when we start talking about issues that impact immigrants, they are very much the same and when you start talking about asians, we talk about latinos regardless of first or second generation. there are very much areas that bond. and disproportionately african-americans and asian-americans are a democratic base where latinos have a more of a swing vote. >> part of the influx of asian decent is education, jobs that come into this country with a lot of the qualifications that employers are looking for.

he was already ahead of him on hispanics and hispanics are important in florida and important in some states in the west. this is going to be a close race and it will go down to the wire. >> the unemployment numbers have gone up. we have had a narrative where unemployment was dropping in terms of the unemployment rate. last month, a job creation was under estimates and the economy was not proving -- improving as well as everyone thought. the commission a wisdom that obama was headed for a second term turned on its head. those metrics will determine who the next president will be. what martin just described in terms of the states at risk is basically the run of 2004. a few states on the bubble. there were a few states in 2000 or and 2000. obama broke new ground last time with indiana, virginia, and pennsylvania. it is becoming a mobilization election in times of going after independence. i think they have a difficult time replicating their turnout model this time around. instead of running against bush, against the wars, and economic fallout on the republicans' watch, this time around

population, the hispanic vote. their concern was that the romney campaign and affiliated super pacs would give up on trying to close the gap and focus on trying to suppress the hispanic vote. try to keep hispanics from coming out. how would they do that? they would run a relentlessly negative campaign against the president, from the left, by saying he deported more hispanics -- more illegal immigrants than any president in history. in the center, on the economy, and from the right on gay marriage. because a lot of hispanics are culturally conservative. they would attack him from every possible angle. and by throwing so much mud and drawing the obama campaign into a battle of that kind, they hoped they would just turn off a lot of latino voters. so you couldn't close the gap, but you could push down the vote totals. this is the kind of thing that foils that plan. because not only does it take away one of the key arguments they could make against him in a negative campaign, and it also energizes hispanic votes in the

he has spent out a flurry of hispanic advertising today. >> president obama 167% of the hispanic vote back in 2008. a warning about swimming in reservoirs'. >> why are baltimore city pools not open? >> i'm in camden yards. news of the season-ending surgery. the details straight ahead. >> severe storms in parts of the area as needed ready to break the heat wave. >> very hot temperatures this week. when there is a code red issued, pools are expected to be open but that was not the case. nadia ramdas is live with an explanation from the city. >> city officials say there's a good reason why the public polls but not open during this week's heat wave. they say the answer is simple -- pools barack ready. -- the poles were not ready. this is one of the 23 baltimore city pools set to open to the public tomorrow. with temperatures near the 100 mark on wednesday and thursday in the city issuing their first code red alert of the summer, many concerned residents had one question in mind. >> what are the polls open? >> saturday. it's 100 degrees out there. you know the kids want to go in that pool.

the van the hispanic vote.>> bret: let's spend the last time here talking about money. the spending of money. the obama campaign seems like it is carrying a lot of infrastructure. has a high rate. you say there is strategy now. >> they reinvented the way we campaign. they did it in 2008. they are trying to do it this time. they are building a huge online network and spending money on the ground. to turn it in an on the ground army for get out of vote. romney campaign is running traditional campaign. direct mail. more of is it the money on television. we are going to see if v they reinvented it again or not? they are betting they can. there is where i lean. i understand what they are trying to do. that's what they are trying. >> bret: karl? >> i think there is a lot of wisconsin come about what joe said about trying to reinvent. look at drivers of the money. may 7, till july 2, the obama campaign will have spent $58 million on television ads. romney campaign spent $14 million on the television ads. in that perio

to suppress hispanic turnout. that looks like what could lead to a really negative campaign in all the hispanic swing states. this is an important move to fight that war. >> thursday and friday back-to-back speeches, romney thursday, the president friday. big moment for romney to come in and say finally what does he think about immigration policy? he hasn't said it in a comprehensive way. i suspect he'll do it there and have to perform well approximately. >> i don't think he'll do it. >> do you any number on how this is playing with independents? >> the bloomberg poll, very much approved by independents. >> those personal stories, you saw those guys on the cover of "newsweek," which turned out to be great timing for "newsweek" running that story basically about the dream act -- it was you guys, story about that. >> marco rubio conceded that point said if you're going to deport the valedictorian of a class who has been here since he was 4 years old. is it demographically impossible for mitt romney to win? >> he can

hispanic americans are americans.this administration and others have found a way of pigeonholing hispanics into one issue as if those they are only interested in one issue. they are not. they are just like all other americans. they are interested in jobs. they are interested in the economy. they are interested in education. they are interested in their children getting ahead. they are interested in having a better future and prosperity. this is what they dream about, just like everyone else. unfortunately, it has become a one-issue discussion where by hispanics are getting short-changed. 11% unemployment, the highest gap you will find. his span ibs are great entrepreneurs. they open up businesses but they are finding a tidal wave of regulations from this administration. if, lo and behold, they start a business that makes more than $200,000, they will get punished with more taxes. we have a keystone pipeline that can be opened in he time. somehow it is not being done. gasoline prices are very high. those gasoline price

let me go to -- >> actually, i think this goes beyond the hispanic community. i think people who care about a just, humane immigration policy that enforces our borders, but gives us a pathway to citizenship is much broader than just latinos or democrats. >> i think you're right. among independents too. let me ask you while i've got you, my friend, it's an honor to have you on, but let me tail you this. aye got to nail you. when the democrats write their platform this summer on same-sex, will you endorse a state by state approach or a federal law that guarantees the right of people to mary someone of the same sex? will it be federal or state by state the party will support? >> i think i've made it fairly clear. i think that marriage equality is a fundamental liberty that the federal government and our constitution ought to protect. i've made that very clear. you're not nailing me to anything, my friend. i believe in that. i think it's a don't thr a junk bond king but did you law's so unp wait until you hear what dirty angry money has gone into making it unpopula

and anti-hispanic. that is ridiculous. >> how is this playing?hink it's, you know, if rubio could get more people to sign on to his idea, i don't think this would have happened. i agree that obama did this for political reasons. no question. he is in a bad place with latinos in the sense he made a lot of promises and didn't follow through on. he has been the beneficiary in the fact that the g.o.p. primary there were a lot of things were said and viewed as intolerant. he is benefiting in that way. but just to your point about marco rubio, marco rubio's solution was basically not anything that the house was ever going to support. it would be dead on arrival. so the idea that obama was supposed to go work with congress on this is i think kind of silly. because the only way for him to do is it the way he did it. >> bret: well, we don't really know, because the bill had never been written per se. >> pretty easy to predict how the house would respond. >> i don't agree with that. if you had marco rubio and obama working together championing something th

question, is the hispanic birthrate surging or is the white birthrate being delayed? >> the white birthrate has been below replacement level for about 35 years, john. and if you want to see what the future of america will look like, i think you ought to look at california, where whites are clearly already in a minority. they're down i believe to close to 40% now. what is happen to the golden land? it's got lowest bond rating in the united states, its budget is completely in deficit. you've got the test scores of california students on average are declining dramatically. you have the departure of the middle-class black and white, americans from california, because the taxes are going up dramatically, and politically, john, you have the death of republican party. and i think as -- because 90% of all republican votes are white folks. and they're only 60% of the country now, and as they fall to say 50%, you got to get almost all of them to win the election some the change is dramatic. >> when i use the word delayed, i'm referring to white females today who are postponing,

, the hispanic voters? >> well, i don't think hispanic voters are single issue voters. i don't care if you're white or -- >> i'm not saying they are. i know the argument, well stated argument that hispanic americans, latinos are as concerned about the economy as everything else but what about the immigration issue, which is one important issue to them. >> it is one important issue but the most important issue is the economy, and hispanics are disproportionately suffering from this bad economy. the national unemployment rate is around 8.2%. the rate for hispanics is in the low double digits. this is a real crisis for their community and what they want in their next president is someone who, one, recognizes that we have a problem, who doesn't believe that the private sector is doing fine, and two, will bring forward new policies that will create growth and expansion and encourage people to start up businesses. that's what mitt romney represents. i think we're going to do just fine with hispanic americans, we'

hispanics are clearly a pillar of the base. go back to 2008. hispanics. young people. those are and affluent whites are really kind of the three big pillars of the base hispanics have become a little dispirited you can see it in the polling because the dream act, the dream act didn't pass. you could argue president obama didn't focus add much on their priorities as he would have liked. i'm not suggesting it was done for only political reasons, but political calculation thipd is to say to hispanics i am your guy and mitt romney is not. boxes mitt romney in. it makes it very hard for him to take a position. >> i think the safe assumption since june of 2012, it has something to do with politics. they quote obama's strategists see this election as a block by block knife fight to be fought in fewer than a dozen states and likely decided by a very slim majority. this isn't 2008. we think people are looking at the race the wrong way. the right way, the expansion of the electorate is our base. african-american, hispanics, young people and women. again, my point, you start with

>> well, he has to get 40% of the hispanic vote. there's not a lot karl rove and i agree on, but that's the truth. if he doesn't do that, i don't see how he wins the white house, number one. number two, that was a wonderful phrase leslie had. a general specific plan. i thought -- >> i work hard on those, bob. >> i thought it was remarkably vague. and he did say that he was going to take away the president's provision to end deportations for those who were brought here as kids, as children and who are now young people except for those in the military. that means millions of people who have obeyed the law and graduated from high school and gotten a ged are back in immigration limbo. i don't think it's enough for him after all he said in the primaries. the obama campaign will remind people in this in television advertising all the way to the election. i don't think it's enough to offer generalities. leslie had a good recommendation in a new york times op ed piece. he risks losing the vast majority of hispanics and the election. he didn

course that hispanics are not a monolithic voting bloc? >> yeah. that's a tough question to answer. all the questions you ask are always so pinpoint accurate on what you want to know. i'll tell you, first and foremost, we have to think about i think how it affects the state of arizona, and how it affects both those who support this law and those who are opposed to it, because you know, there's a whole issue of people that may look brown and can be asked about their papers and if they're citizens but don't have some passport, because what do we as american citizens carry with us on a daily basis to prove we were born in the united states of america? what document? there is no national i.d. so the question is how do we prove to a police officer that we are indeed legal if we're stopped in arizona and your name is jose diaz-balart or, you know, not john smith. how do you prove these issues? so you know, there are a lot of political implications to this, but really, it boils down to the state of arizona saying that barring immigration reform i

were hispanics voted for bush.e voted for obama. so they can swing and they may. >> so there's a big opportunity, patrick, as you mentioned in your reporting for a speech coming later this month by mitt romney at the national association of latino elected and appointed officials. does he need to have some new policy ideas, something really big in hand that's going to make waves, going to get the attention of hispanic voters to take a second look or potentially even a first look? >> well, i think his advisers are definitely pushing to have some kind of prescriptive, positive message to push rather than just bash the opponents over on a topic like the economy. i think he does need to talk about immigration reform. he's come out against the dream act in the primaries. has been pretty tough on illegal immigration. i think he has to come back to the middle a little bit. i think he will possibly by proposing some kind of program, perhaps using visas instead of path to citizenship. we'll see. but i'd be surprised if he do

four years later, john mccain lost with 31% of hispanics. right now, romney is polling even lower that that, in the 20s. >> that is why he needs to get about 10 more points in the course of the next 120 days if he's going to win places like colorado, nevada, and florida. >> that is a lot of ground to make up. on the other hand, part of that is offset by romney's strong numbers with white men and married women. the romney campaign has repeatedly told me the number one issue among hispanics is no different than anyone else, george. the economy. they are always quick to point out the unemployments with hispanics higher than in the rest of the country. >> the romney campaign not saying too much about it but they're ready to go with health care. >> you saw that in battleground of virginia, romney said, if obama care in his words is not deemed unconstitutional then the first 3 1/2 years of this president's term will have been wasted on something that has not helped. >> david, thanks very much. from "your voice your vote," we turn to your money and

look, hispanic voters are smart just like other voters. they know where this economic problem came from. they know it came from the bush economic policies. romney wants to reinstitute those policies and if you look at some of the state polls this week, they're very interesting. new poll out in arizona where the president's only three points behind. that's remarkable l. a ten-point flip in florida. he's now four points ahead. and if you look inside those polls, a lot of that is being driven by hispanics. i don't think romney's mealy mouthed discussion today would leave millions of people in limbo is going to help him with the hispanic communy. >> leslie, you can respond, but i want you to address the issue of whether what really happened here was that romney was trumped. and reeb owe, ubio, in that the intending to persue something similar. >> i heard senator rubio talking about that, this it took a lot of the impetus behind his colleagues to move with something right away. that meet is gone basically and i think in an election year, it's a

we know how important the hispanic community is as a voting bloc.know that there has been some level of discontent within the hispanic community as it relates to president obama. does this fix those problems? >> i don't know that it fixes those problems but it goes a long way towards helping him. as you mentioned, in what is a crucial swing bloc. the good thing about it for the white house politically is that it doesn't really hurt him with other swing voters. it's mostly a base issue. it will excite the liberal base and the conservatives who are upset about immigration, they weren't going to vote for him anyway. so it excites his base and helps with those swing -- potential swing voters right in the middle there. not just hispanics, but there are other communities in which there are big immigration presences in which it helps him and could help him at the margins win votes. >> as you see, we are looking at a live shot of the white house. obviously we are still waiting for president obama to come out and announce officially this new policy. we expec