the hispanic heritage foundation just honored 21 hispanic high-school students in our area for numerous achievements, but perhaps most importantly, their leadership in the classroom and the community. the award recipients will receive grants for their college education. we'll talk to two of these young leaders in just a few minutes. first, though -- the proposal to offer driver's licenses for undocumented immigrants in new jersey -- that's moving forward. the state assembly's homeland security committee voted 3-2 along party lines to approve the measure last week. hundreds of supporters rallied hopes the proposed legislation will soon become the law. advocates say the measure promotes safety by encouraging people to purchase auto insurance. they claim it will contribute to the state's economy, as well. there is, however, strong opposition. governor chris christie has vowed to veto the bill. to talk further about the proposed legislation is new jersey assemblywoman annette quijano. she sponsored the bill. udi ofer is the executive director of the aclu of new jersey. good to have you both

he has a 68% disapproval rating among hispanics. i believe that the immigration build a strong border security network, because we need control one. who gets a job because that's why they come here, to work illegally, but with the 11 million, deport felons, give the rest a chance to stay on our terms, learn our language, pay a fine, get in the back of the line so you don't cheat. at the end of the day, donald trump has taken our problems with hispanics and poured gasoline on it. calling most illegal immigrants racists and drug dealers hurts -- rapists and drug dealers hurts the cause, it's not right. rounding up people based on their faith, barring them from coming into the country based on their faith alienates most independent minded voters. hillary clinton will mop the floor with donald trump he is killing us with hispanics, his foreign policy's putting us at risk. so if you want to destroy the republican party's chance to win in 2016, pick somebody like donald trump who doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of bringing people

ins now about hispanics texas.ontrast, in terms of the cultural factors, the legal factors, in terms of voting, participation rates. jim: i've been thinking about that a lot. for black voters and black civil of as, it's got more story, and it's got more of a leadership. there is a lot more strength in that movement. the hispanic voting rights movement is much more diffuse. an opening for republicans is, hispanics are not automatically republican. sociallybe conservative when they are very catholic. the church doesn't play the same row as it does in the black civil rights movement. i think that's a big deal. new york piece on the times website right now. jim rutenberg, thanks for joining us. we will be right back. ♪ john: after you finish watching the show, go to bloombergpolitics.com and check out our campaign tracker for the latest 2016 updates, along with fantastic story by our friend josh green about ted cruz's donald trump strategy. mark: tomorrow, president obama is headed to hawaii for his christmas vacation.

he has a 68% disapproval rating among hispanics. i believe that the immigration problem should be solved. build a strong border security network, because we need control one. who gets a job because that' s why they come here, to work illegally, but with the 11 million, deport felons, give the rest a chance to stay on our terms, learn our language, pay a t cheat. at the end of the day, donald trump has taken our problems with hispanics and poured gasoline on it. calling most illegal immigrants racists and drug dealers hurts hurts the cause, it' s not right. their faith, barring them from coming into the country based on their faith alienates most independent minded voters. hillary clinton will mop the floor with donald trump his foreign policy' s putting us destroy the republican party' s chance to win in 2016, pick somebody like donald trump who doesn' t have a snowball' s chance in hell of bringing people our way at a time when they' re willing to come our way. if you think this is helping grow the republican party with minorities

he has a 68% disapproval rating among hispanics. i believe that the immigration problem should be solved. build a strong border security network, because we need control one. who gets a job because that' s why they come here, to work illegally, but with the 11 million, deport felons, give the rest a chance to stay on our fine, get in the back of the line so you don' t cheat. at the end of the day, donald trump has taken our problems with hispanics and poured gasoline on it. calling most illegal immigrants racists and drug dealers hurts -- rapists and drug dealers hurts the cause, it' s not right. rounding up people based on their faith, barring them from coming into the country based on their faith alienates most independent minded voters. hillary clinton will mop the floor with donald trump he is killing us with hispanics, his foreign policy' s putting us at risk. so if you want to destroy the republican party' s chance to win in 2016, pick somebody like donald trump who doesn' t have a snowball' s chance in hell of bringing people

of all the issues, we are not going to win the hispanics with this idea that there is some type of hispanic unity. something believed exclusively by white liberals. and the rnc, apparently. [laughter] talk to your maids once in a while. the dominicans hate the puerto ricans, the mexicans hate the blacks. there is no unity here. the reason they have been voting overwhelmingly for the democrats as they are poor and in need of services and the one-party state and they are used to block voting for a particular group. as i say the people's revolutionary party of mexico ruled mexico for 71 years. tell me what the symbol is. i have to go vote and i'll do it. the reason we have the poor people voting for democrats is because that's what they do. it's not just poor people. it's not just brown people. look at peers morgan if you want to see how immigrants would vote. any immigrant to america makes america look less free because we are the freest country in the world. it's like any immigrant mixes in with more immigrants and less white. when people move, look at vermont. it used to be republican vermo

hispanics as a group area group are pro-life. african-americans are more supportive of traditional marriage than aiming to our graphic in the country. it is not because of social issues. his positions we take. disconnect us from america at large. how many of you believe there should be an exception for woman who has been a victim of a rape and has become pregnant? i don't believe you could be pro-life and when an election, butelection, but if you are going to tell a woman who has been raped she has to carry the child of a rapist your losing most americans. we asked the question of ted crews. let me tell you what i will do. i am pro-life. you are pro-choice. i sil is neither. the tax code is a monstrosity for all of us. but if you don't understand the following, that we are making a big mistake. if a nominee of the republican party will not allow for an exception for rape and incest they will not win. ted crews does not have an exception for rape or incest. he says the debate is going to be about the little sisters. wanting to imp

nothing was done. >> the hispanic vote is going to play a big role. probably, we could say we can decide at the end who is going to be president of the united states. the hispanics are becoming a very strong force, a very strong coalition, in the presidential campaign. nigel: enter donald trump, the current republican frontrunner. martinez says his rhetoric concerning hispanic peopop, and his comments about mexicans in particular, have callers into this radio station very concerned. >> either republican or democrats, we don't know. we are going to try and find out which one is going to have the capacity to handle the situation with the congress, because in the end, the congress has the last word. nigel: next tuesday at this time, we will take a closer look what has been done, what's working, and what is not. continuing coverage out of florida tonight. we are just two days away from the clemson-oklahoma orange bowl matchup. gabrielle: wyff news 4 sports brad fralick and marc dopher are both live in south florida, with both of you now standing in front

donald trump hates hispanics, latinos, donald trump wants to hurtnd you. this is what the confederate flag was today. no one cares about the confederate flag. it hasn't been relevant for at least 50 years and before that at least 100 years. the fact that this became a mass ive is because what the lefters are attempting to do and it's very clever, white guy, white racist, the entire country says, this is evil, it's racist and evil and there's tremendous mondayous outpouring of support t left goes, we can't have that. if americans get along with each other, that we are nice people and we don't need the government into submission, then we won't vote for the left. they have to find a way to divide people. theo way they divide people is specifically going out of their way to find causes that then they can blame people. he's republican,th they went wih he likes confederate flag. that's not very strong. he likes confederate flags and a lot of republicans like confederate, they secretly believe like this guy and want to shoot black folks. they use with trump also,

this, in a city where 40% of residents are hispanic. 35-year-old democrat says tonight's victory is just another sign of the growing presence of latinos in politics. >> tonight means that i'll be able to provide an example for other latinas to see that they do have a seat at that table. >> brangham: her election is part of a national trend. the latino population of the u.s. has been steadily rising, while the white population has been declining. by 2065, the u.s. is projected to be a majority-minority nation, with whites making up less than half the population. politically, this trajectory has been great news for democrats like gutierrez. in national polls, latinos lean democratic more than two-to-one over republicans. and in 2012, latinos overwhelmingly picked president obama over mitt romney, whose remarks about latinos needing to "self-deport" didn't sit well with many. in its own political autopsy of that election, the republican national committee openly acknowledged that if the party couldn't figure out a better way to communicate

why do we have so many hispanics or latinos in south carolina and georgia? they didn't reside in those places before. here in chicago, a sanctuary city, we have an abundance of latinos. they have so much clout politically they are demanding their own schools, even though they are closing schools in black and brown neighborhoods. >> let's move away in that. we're not going to come to decision. >> no we are not. >> in terms of deportation as a policy in order to deport 11 million people over two years as donald trump suggests, you would need to find and deport 15,000 people a day have. >> uh-huh. >> do you think that the united states has the law enforcement manpower and money to do that? >> well, i think yeah, i think media has tried to build a case again deporting illegals. because the media, a liberal media has its own agenda. the bottom line is we had operation wetback. and operation wetback supposedly, i've read statistics that said either two to five million mexicans back to mexico, with 1/10 of the size of border patrol we have at a. yes it is possible.

in the hispanic community for example, 55% of the hispanic population are under 18 years old. which would mean that you would have districts drawn without regard to counting children for purposes of representation. people who are legal permanent residents, and what that would do, just in a small snapshot is -- let' s say you have a legislative district that has a disproportionate number of children. in a heavily hispanic community, that would be the case. legislatures decide school the census uses formulaic determinations based on population. and if your not counting people who can' t vote, then you are a huge percentage of the population. 28% of the american population that' republicans, are trying to they' re trying to win elections through rigging the outcome because they can' t win the elections on the merits. fernando: there' s now another attempt to overturn obamacare. i' m not sure of the count now, 60-some votes that have been taken thus far. this seems to be a position with more teeth and capacity to be approved. is there any chance that the affordable care act will b

in the hispanic community for example, 55% of the hispanic population are under 18 years old. which would mean that you would have districts drawn without regard to counting children for purposes of representation. people who are legal permanent residents, and what that would do, just in a small snapshot is -- let' s say you have a legislative district that has a disproportionate number of children. in a heavily hispanic community, that would be the case. funding based on population. the census uses formulaic determinations based on population. and if your not counting people who can' t vote, then you are discounting from representation a huge percentage of the population. 28% of the american population is not eligible to vote, and that' s who people, the republicans, are trying to discount. they' re trying to win elections through rigging the outcome rather than on the merits, because they can' t win the elections on the merits. fernando: there' s now another attempt to overturn obamacare. i' m not sure of the count now, 60-some votes that have been taken thus far. this seems

or hispanic decent. the need was because my parents were immigrant workers we migrated from iowa to minnesota and my parents worked on those fields. on the way back, my dad got sick and we ended up staying in des i was 5 years old. >>> what we can develop this for. the community leaders, black and white can be powerful in the country. this is the first theme forum in america. there's only four forums in america. four. new hampshire has one. des moines has two. the "des moines register" -- new hampshire had one. c-span, without the white house, we'll cover the first show out first show c-span covered on the road to the white house is what we did. >> you mean serious road to the white house? >> we were the first one in america. >> wow. >> so, issue of race. yeah, we got challenges here. iowa has a lot of minorities in prison. we have the same problems that other communities have, chicago, what we do have here, how obama, when he became president. no one thought a black man could take a white state. what i

and donald trump is killing us with hispanic aggression. you know, i'm not going to buy into the idea that this is all muslims are radical islamists. the donald trump is having an image of being the anti-obama. but it's a cartoon kind of strong ice. the policy proposal itself is an absolute disaster. i worry about our allies not be able to work with us, i worry about our soldiers and diplomats. from a policy perspective it plays well because people are afraid, but it's an absolute national security disaster. so i'm going to be optimistic that the republican party can assume that people agree with him because it makes them feel safer but in fact it does not. you cannot win this war without the muslims helping you. in the way that the victory is, the former alliance between the 90% who reject radical islam in a fashion that will allow us to destroy the ideology over time. [inaudible question] sumac you know, you can run your country anyway that you would like. he started this stuff. to him over, don't hide from it, is a set period don't deny

how does she know i have a hispanic grandmother? and the top 10 his span nick drinkers has 10 drinks a day. looks like i have catching up to do. enjoy. first, a news break. >> this is a fox news extreme weather alert. i'm molly line in new york. death and destruction across the south this morning. six are confirmed dead. three in mississippi and two in tennessee and one in arkansas. the result of a massive storm system that spawned a string of tornadoes last night. dozens have been injured. the path of destruction is said to be miles long. mississippi saw the worst of it. search and rescue teams are doing house by house searches to make sure residents are accounted for. >>> if you are planning to jet home in time for christmas dinner you will not be alone. the airlines expect to serve some 38 million passengers this holiday season. that's an increase of about 3% from last year of the to meet the demand the airlines are adding red eyes and shifting the timing of thousands of flights to avoid delays, but bad weather may foil their pla

hispanic community sees this from the black community? >> we've seen justice. so no matter what happens when your community--just is a simple community. >> police stayed hands off as protest leader helped to block the entrances to a few stores like the apple stores. >> look, you're hurting many black and hispanic workers. that's who faces the brunt of this when the stores shut down. >> if people really care about what is going on in society, they'll come out and join us. >> between the out much town protesters and out of town shoppers and tourists who gawked from the side line, there is no doubt that the message is getting out. >> this is happening two weeks ago, something like this. >> it's happening a lot, lately. it's in the news in rome. >> it's no surprise. it's terrible. >> a lot of people think that barack obama was the answer and would solve our problems, well, we have a long way to go. it's not just in cleveland, it's not just in chicago. it's worldwide. >> as always the police kept a quiet watch over the protesters who ripped in

of misrepresentation and even hate speech related to father serra, the catholic church, and the hispanic catholic tradition. it has been my objective to address those characterizations. i am not going to minimize what happened as a result of european colonial intervention in this region. it is clearly catastrophic on many levels. but there was a lot of it that allowed the native people to survived the spanish. , the mexican era, and ultimately the american period. it was in 1846 through 1848 when the americans first entered monterey that the first governor of california, peter burnet, basically ordered the annihilation and extermination of the california indians. he actually put taxpayer money behind that effort to the extent that within 12 years, a population documented to have existed of 150,000 native people in california at american contact dwindled to less than 30,000. so over 120,000 people have been documented to have been killed during the period. that was truly genocide. i believe, based on anything i everything i have seen, including recent publications and one to come out next

hispanics as a group are pro-life. african-americans are more supportive of traditional values than any demographic in the country. how many of you believe that there should be an exception for a woman who has been a victim of a rape and has become pregnant? [applause] i don't believe -- you can be pro-life and win an election, but if you're going to tell a woman who's been raped she has to carry the child of a rapist, you're losing most americans and you have to question a ted cruz. how do you get a pro-choice person to vote for you? i am pro-life, you're pro-choice. isil is neither. [applause] the tax code is a montross city for all of -- monstrosity for all of us. but if you don't turns following then we're making a big mistake and there's following -- if a noom knee of the republican party will not allow for an exception for rape and increst, they will not win. -- incest, they will not win. [applause] ted cruz doesn't have than exception for rape or inset. -- incest. he says the debate is going to be about the litt

hispanic rider.e kind of a tat of a logo on the back. >> musto's call sets off a countywide manhunt for the suspect, mobilizing officers, patrol cars, even helicopters. meanwhile musto's lost sight of the biker and pulls over to the side of the road. >> i may have video of the tag. i don't know. just keep an eye out for this guy. i'm going to check my video. >> it's not until now that severe pain sets in. >> i'm skinned up a little bit. my uniform's ripped. i don't need ems. >> the pain was pretty intense. my scrapes were pretty big and deep. i didn't even feel pain until ten minutes later when things started burning. >> i didn't know how bad it was for deputy musto until i got there. >> when ferrell reaches musto, the dragged deputy isn't in good shape. >> as i approach him, he's out of the car, very excited. i want to make sure he's okay first. sit down. >> i'm okay. i'm all right. >> i want to make sure. sit down. >> musto refuses ems. instead he insists they watch the dash cam video, looking for

for the holistic admits, african-americans and hispanics, it is 26%.his was from the class of 2008. it seems to refute the idea that all of these minority students who were admitted under the tempers and plan, just from these predominantly overwhelmingly black and hispanic schools with poor students. it doesn't seem to be true. mr. garre: we have never claimed that all of them do. that is a strawman argument. if you look at the 2008 profile that we cited in the last brief, you do find that on balance there is a difference in backgrounds of this dudes, african-american students and hispanic students come in through the holistic plan. that is no surprise given the obvious purpose of the top 10% plan. it wants to take into account all situations. justice breyer: the first phrase set this. fisher would want to put together a court that do not all agree on affirmative action. the decision to pursue the educational benefits that flow from student diversity is insubstantial measures and academic judgement to which judicial deference is proper. number two. the

talked about the need to reach out to young people to minorities to hispanics and asian americans to women and how to build a broader coalition for the republican party and almost everybody at that time agreed with that. unfortunately this this campaign, we have seen some of the candidates, notably mr. trump up and mr. cruz, apparently rejecting that and arguing that they can win simply by getting a larger percentage of the conservative white vote. i don't think that's the message you've heard from governor bush or some of the other candidates but it seems to be the message that's been carried by the current front runners in the polls. i think that's a disastrous position for the party to take in the long run. the country is changing diversifying, the country should have a strong appeal to the asian voters, hispanic voters, young people, given failure of the administration in so many areas but the leading candidates are steaming feel a different path. >> all right here is where my true colors are going to come out vin. .isn't it for the republicans to appeal to a broader group of peo

>> you know, it is true and -- [ cheers and applause ] >> i have thousands of hispanics that have worked for me over the years, work for me now, we have thousands. mexico, all over the place. they're unbelievable people. what i'm saying is they cough have to come in through a legal process. they're going to want come in and we want to have that door. we're going to build the ball wall but we're going to have a big beautiful door. we want people to come in, we want people to come in legally. if you look at the polls that

population and name hispanic as vice president.now i double barrelled the question for you. just give me answers on both. >> is that for me? liz: yes, it is for you, fred barnes. >> look, donald trump naming an hispanic, i don't think there is a hispanic who would be on the ticket with donald trump. look, and beside, the vice presidential running mate doesn't help or hurt much. the truth is that donald trump, i think, cannot win, he can win the republican nomination, he can't win a general election, he's alienated too many people, he'll lose a lot of republicans. i mean i think some of the republicans and i talk to them all the time, and they say they're not going to vote for trump against -- they'll vote for hillary over trump. some of those will wind up voting for trump if he's the nominee, an awful lot won't. hispanics, minorities, immigrants aren't going to vote for trump. liz: thanks for being with us, merry christmas to you both. you do not want to miss republican presidential candidate george w. bush. he will be on "risk & r

hispanics as a group are pro-life. african-americans are more supportive of traditional marriage than any demographic in the country. it's not because of social issues that we will lose. it's positions we take regarding social issues that can disconnect us from america at large. how many of you believe that there should be an exception for a woman who has been a victim of a rape and has become pregnant? [ applause ] i don't believe -- you can be pro-life and win an election, but if you're going to tell a woman who's been raped she has to carry the child of the rapist, you're losing most americans. and you asked a question to ted cruz, how do you get a pro-choice person to vote for you? let me tell you what i will do. i'm pro-life, you're pro-choice, isil is neither. the tax code is a monstrosity for all of us. but if you don't understand the following, then we're making a big mistake. and here's the following. if the nominee of the republican party will not allow for an exception for rape and incest, they will not win.

there were lawsuits, which interesting enough, the largest african-american and hispanic organization supported, maybe because the soda industry had been funding those organizations for many, many years. and there were ads in the paper, the famous ad in the newark times the famous blue -- mayor bloomberg in a blue dress. you don't want a nanny for me. fortunately, bloomberg had a sense of humor so when he was asked about that and he said, i would never wear a dress like that, so unflattering. but they played tough. i would love to know the amount of money that the soda industry spent to defeat what was to me a pretty trivial measure. i actually thought a 16-ounce soda cap was too high. they should have capped it at eight ounces. nobody was telling people they couldn't buy 10, 16 a sosa's -- 16-ounce sodas if they wanted to. they put millions of dollars into fighting soda tax initiatives in places where there were elections, because they were elections had recorded by the money they were spinning so there you would note that in richmond, california, one of the poorest cities in richmon

the hispanic community has a tremendous need. and if we need to do it ourselves, we do it.mian: and that's kind of, like, the mentality behind startups, right, is something--you have a vision and you have a plan, nobody else is doing it, and your--i would imagine your mentality is, "why not me? let's do it now." steve: we want to disrupt how our young hispanic in this country are learning, getting their first job, investing, improving the quality of their life. we want to lead that. damian: that's a big leap to dive into something like this. what was maybe the pushback that you got, if you got any, in developing something like this? roman: you know, not a lot of pushback so far. in fact, you know, we started this process with really--you know, we're all very passionate about tapping into the full economic potential of the latino community. right, we see the numbers, both good and bad, right? we see the population numbers in terms of, you know, representing 17% of the country today, and expected to be 1 in 3 americans being latino by 2050. it's a great potential opportunity.

i'm going to win the hispanic vote, in my opinion. we're going to see what happens. but we have -- i've developed a great relationship with the hispanics for a simple reason. i'm going to create jobs. i'm bringing the jobs back from china. japan and vietnam. we're losing all of our business. we're losing all of our manufacturing -- >> jimmy: i feel like in a way we should let the mexicans in and kick a lot of americans out. a lot of americans should be kicked out. [ cheers and applause ] >> jimmy: that's what the problem is. >> i'll tell you what. i'll tell you what. we want people that are going to get in there, work, turn the country around, we want to see i think that's going to happen. taxes are going to be reduced for the middle class at a tremendous rate. and business taxes way down. and we're going to make this a very strong and dynamic economy. >> jimmy: you i assume have a group of advisers. >> i do. >> jimmy: you discuss issues with before. i don't know. maybe you go on your own. >> i like to think for myself but i have people. >> jimmy: did anyone try to t

>> the hispanics are going to like him because of his heritage.ome down to an issue of national security dealing with immigration. you have them now combined. once you had what happened in san bernardino and with this coming in fiance you have combined national security with immigration. >> it's not just -- >> it's just not about illegal immigrants from mexico. >> everyone knows we're not going to deport them all. >> but you heard what we are talking about. the democrats are saying oh, my gosh, marco rubio, i'm afraid of him. he's the one. does this party care about electability? >> they do care about electability. but i think the nation when they hear about immigration in the context that ted cruz put it in, border security is national security. when immigration is put in that way, i think the nation is going to come down on the side of ted cruz and donald trump and marco rubio has a lot to answer for. you look at the amendment banning immigration from 30 countries that are hot beds for terrorism. rand bawl and ted cruz voted for it. marco rubio

hispanic writers week. >> this is the second year that the tag association is putting event. i'm alproud member of the board, of the tag association and this mentoring program. hispanic writers week with some funding, it connected over 100 students in boston public schools with five published writers from latino writers from across the u.s. >> like i said it is a great party. now, ok, you know what let's get to the party because the cause, i'm sold, right. so for those who are watching this for the first time let's put-- see i don't know if i'm in there, i might be in that photo somewhere in the back, marcy might be in there as well, but this captures the spirit, i love this part of the even, right. but so much that goes on. take me through what an evening looks like. >> right there in the picture you saw your typical puerto rican badamba. every holidays people go home to home and we bring that into a one night atmosphere and it's just an amazing celebration of our culture. we have the traditional puerto year we have an amazing salsa guest. >> and these are some of the guests

hispanics as a group are pro-life.ican-americans are more supportive of traditional marriage than any demographic. it is not because of social issues we will lose. it is positions we take regarding social issues that can disconnect us from america at large. how many of you believe that there should be an exception for a woman who has been a victim of a rape and has become pregnant? [applause] i don't believe -- you can be pro-life and win an election, but if you're going to tell a woman who's been raped she has to carry the child of a rapist, you're losing most americans and you have to question a ted cruz. how do you get a pro-choice person to vote for you? i am pro-life, you're pro-choice. isil is neither. [applause] the tax code is a monstrosity for all of us. but if you don't turns following then we're making a big mistake and there's following -- if a nomomee of the republican party will not allow for an exception for rape and incest, they will not win. [applause] ted cruz doesn't have than exception for rape or i

there's also a hispanic individual. there's joe ferguson, who is obviously caucasian and then there's hyram who is also hispanic. >> reporter: there's been academics from the university of chicago, yale, there's been a federal judge, the thin blue line code of silence is a problem. what are they studying? all of it's out there. rule 14, when you talk about cops who lie, they don't get punished. when you talk misconduct that's not violent. you are a guy who always just gets stuff done. why not make that stuff public the way you would say pass a budget or handle cps? not talking about fatal shootings? >> let me say, i respectfully disagree with the analogy in this sense, mark. passing a budget or dealing with other things at chicago public schools is not the same as dealing with a set of protocols and culture and earning the confidence and trust of the public and the oversight and accountability that exists at the police department. you're right, it's a lot of work. i said before, i want to repeat we are not unique in dea

on monday in las vegas, a bunch of hispanic conservative activists are going to be holding meeting withome of the presidential campaigns to go over their immigration policy and talk about other issues, representatives of the bush, the rubio, cruz, and carson campaigns will be meeting with this group. this is the same group of hispanic conservatives that showed up at the last debate and denounced donald trump and said this has to stop. they're looking to learn more from the other candidates. maybe at some point they make an endorsement. might not carry a lot of water, but it would definitely allow the person that gets that endorsement to make a general election argument, you know, if i'm able to draw hispanic support, maybe the one i should be nominated. >> jeff? >> it's too early to talk about an exit strategy or is it for some of these people. more and more, we're hearing from top donors and supporters and some of these presidential candidates you were talking about, julie, how long are they going to go here? they made it to the end of the year and is it time to save face. there's stil