use hisstars , he uses power and uses marketing skills. and he promised everything. he was like a doll in the way he expressed himself and very simple almost older terms and yet the italians ate it up. there's no other figure in italian street as influential as berlusconi in the last century except for mussolini. >> when americans fill the name silvio berlusconi, what comes to mind is bummed about that. what is that? >> there is a chapter all in this book about the bootable. berlusconi's downfall came because of a so-called bone to bone party. the notorious night when he was accused of keeping a harem of 30 women that would do lap dances, fetishistic sex with him. he denies all of that thing it's all on through but bunga bunga got him put on trial in 2011 for sex with an underage prostitute and whenshe was put in jail, berlusconi as prime minister telephoned the police and said , release her. i think she's mubarak's granddaughter. that turned out not to be true. >> what did you learn in your 18 hours with berlusconi you didn't know before you sat down? >> i guess i l