[laughter] plane, in ho chi minh city, but for me, it will always be saigon, but i felt like a giant. and i had an american passport. and a $20 bill, that was the way the government worked. it was $20 to get through if you ex-pat goingan -- through. it was great to see the friends, the kids, some of my cousins, the people who take -- took care of us when we were small. the aftermath of the war and the communists knew how to fight, but they did not know how to run a peace time economy. it was almost depressing to go to saigon and see the way people were living compared to how we were living in southern california. >> you mention it in your introduction the millions of refugees who came to the united states, and 500,000 had served in the vietnamese military. is there a feeling of u.s. betrayal among those refugees who are veterans of the vietnamese military? mr. pham: i think it depends. it depends what year you were in the country, what unit, what service, and the same with the vietnamese veterans. some got out during the fall of saigon. one of the officers went to long-term reeducatio