which actually described larry hoagland's life at one point.iends, a loving family, the respect of his community. by the time i sat down across from larry, much of that had evaporated. he stood accused of trying to kill his wife with a pipe bomb. and his first words to me was that police had the wrong man. >> i did not try to kill my wife. i'm adamant about this. >> reporter: the only thing larry said was true was that he did have an affair. >> i was cheating on my wife. i was cheating on my family. >> reporter: you were in love with somebody else? >> yeah, i was. yes, i was. to be perfectly frank, yes. >> reporter: and you were what, going to ask your wife for a divorce? >> yes. >> reporter: and walk out? >> that was pretty much it, yes. i let a lot of people down, i deceived a lot of people. i forsook a lot of people, i did. >> reporter: is that the worst thing you committed? >> yes. besides adultery, yeah. >> reporter: because what you're in here for -- >> oh, yes. >> reporter: pretty much tops all of that. >> i did not try to kill my wife.

at the far end of this group is my boss, bill hoagland.ll is the senior vice president at bpc in charge of both, our full team and economic policy programs. he came here from cigna where he was vice president of public policy and most of his career was spent on the hill where he was director of budget and the appropriations of the then senate majority leader, and staff director of the budget committee. thank you for being here. jeff, i will start with you. we have talked about high-level frame works, big picture models and i want to go to the real world for a minute. more than probably any of us on this stage here at least you have the most experience with a number of the players on the ground who are really seeking to implement some of these experimental and new models of care that integrate clinic and community. the report that the task force issued included some of those examples including one a very interesting one out of minnesota, and i would like to ask you to tell us a little bit more about what they did and why it's relevant here.

. >> bill hoagland with the bipartisan policy. first of all, thank the panel. thank you all for your presentation. i guess this is a question for bill. i'm looking at the report. it's been bothering me. in the report language it says, in the senate these estimate would be provided for informational purposes only. >> right. >> can you -- >> right. >> -- clarify how this is going to work if it's only for informational purposes only -- >> right. >> -- in the senate? actual scoring as andy has outlined in the house? >> sure. and that's a great question. we're often asked that question. there are differences, as you know bill more than perhaps anyone else sitting in this auditorium today between the rules of the house and the rules of the senate and so not to get anybody disturbed about that difference, but that is the difference. in fact there is even a difference as between the house and senate as to who is the upper body. clearly the constitution says that the senate is the upper body. that is a difference of opinion. so, in the rules of the senate we have a pred