hockenberry: let's find out. should it be up to her parents to give her some drugs... - of course. - ...to make her like everybody else? - diller: what's wrong with unhappiness? - huh? - what's wrong with unhappiness? - that's another question. - because, again-- - ( laughs ) it used to be part of the human condition, unhappiness. but i think in the last 40 or 50 years there's been a shift away from older values. and if we have a child who's feeling badly, the parents feel badly. and they come to me, this kid may be minimally impaired in my view, but he's not feeling good, his self-esteem is down, and they want a treatment. the evidence that self-esteem or self-image really matter is scant to non-existent, and most of that evidence comes from, you know, interviewing ceos, artists, and criminals. - and they all have bad childhoods. - ( all laugh ) hockenberry: let's pose a question here. martha, if you could be maria. you have gotten a prescription for amikind. you're holding it in your hand. you haven't decided w

hockenberry: but what do you actually do? do you do anything concrete at the school to try to control this or deal with it? i tell my students, at stanford, "you have ferrari minds. why do you want to put buttermilk in the gas tank?" well, but they may think that it's casterol gtx they're putting in their brain, and-- look, we all know this is a huge experiment. i mean we're-- this is, like, human beings are stepping up to be potentially poisoned. i don't understand why people would do this in the first place. the more i learned about medicine, the more i learned to stay away from medicines and use them only for serious purposes. you take something as simple as tylenol. it changes, up-regulates, or down-regulates hundreds, maybe thousands of genes. we're not talking about a system here that's sort of like, you know, your hair style. you might say they're concentric circles of significance in life. there's some areas that we are expressing ourselves through, but there are others that the infrastructure of our very being, of ou