murkowski: thank you, senator hoeven. we were discussing how we get the accurate imaging of the fire during the funny river fire we had last year on the peninsula. the state was able to use s tonds to digit-- use drone determine where the hotspot was and found it very effective. it was one of those situations where the smoke was so thick you did not know what was happening and there was no real way to pinpoint it at that time. the technologies that are out there, i think can clearly help to make a difference as we try to battle these fires, and mr. eisley, you mentioned the appificance of having an where people know who is where and from a safety perspective, making sure those who are fighting fires have tools that perhaps we haven't had in the past. we haven't had much discussion --s morning about the wild the urban interface, and the fact that 50-90 5% of forest services fire suppression costs are incurred protecting private aboutty, and we all know the program. we see the benefits of when a homeowner takes very proacti

senator john hoeven, the senator from north dakota raising concerns he was concerned that the administrationld come out against it during the august recess. you know secretary of state john kerry has still not taken an official recommendation position on this in order to recommend to president obama what he wants to do. obviously, that's the first step that has to be decided. he still hasn't done it. so it really remains to be seen, a lot of uncertainty, no answers. neil: kevin, i'm wondering if they're playing a waiting game or run out the clock here, a lot of the folks behind keystone, the corporate folks look at how low oil prices are and say it's not feasible with the low prices or worth the cost of low prices to pursue anyway. maybe that's what they're hopeing? >> great point. i would add to that this underscores the division between the democratic party between the environmentalists and the moderate, pragmatic progressives in the democratic party. you know secretary of state john kerry isn't the only one who hasn't taken a position on this, neither is hillary clinton the democratic fro