julian is with us from the -- professor of law for the international program of hofstra university schoolf law. kidnapping? is that the right word for this? >> they like to use the word abduction but it's kidnapping. picking him off the street and bringing him back to the u.s. >> shepard: there's a delay. >> even if they did abduct them, which could be illegal in some countries, it wouldn't prevent them from trying him in the united states. i they capture him and bring him back, the courts have held it doesn't make a difference. >> you can send in a crew of people, maybe some special forces or some spooks or something and, boom, pick him up and,way away we go? >> people who they really want, really willing to take risk for. so, for instance, guy they thought killed a u.s. drug enforcement agent. they abducted him in mexico. or in past years, israel many years ago abduct it nazis in argentina. usually only extreme cases would this be tried because obviously it causes problems. shepard smith to you as on on server feel like this might rise to that level? >> i can't really tell. i mean, it's