and to talk about the situation here in germany i'm joined by hogan victor. a charity that helps raise awareness about aids what is the situation in germany as far as each of you people goes well we have declining numbers of infections 2 in germany that's really good news that's because of the effectiveness of the medication the therapy under effective under effective therapy activities not transmittable anymore and that's really good news because it also helps to remove fears people are not afraid anymore if they know transmission is impossible and that is the case today but there's still stick while there are still discrimination against like in people judging other people who've saying well why didn't you protect yourself you have done prong or are seeing a danger in other people like moving a little bit back wards or maybe it's still a problem maybe i could get infected that's not true of course in everyday life transmission is impossible with an effective therapy it's absolutely impossible but