"thank you very much, hogarth. "i will now expand on that."e i was trained as a theatre designer, i look at everything, what can i take from that? how can i translate that, transfer that, transform that? so it's not so much looking at this kind of art, it's like looking at this painting or this set of people in this painting. who are they? what are they doing? yeah, putting them centre stage. and also confronting very dark stories. i mean, for example, the rodeur story that you depicted in a very different way from that that would have been done in history. the story is basically of a terrible story of a slave ship, which was crossing the ocean, when a disease swept through the slave cargo, and left many, many of the black people, the victims of slavery, blind, and the captain of the ship, as they were useless to him, tossed many of them overboard and they lost their lives. i don't see those people. for a start, they weren't yet slaves, so they were captured africans on a boat. i know for sure that they'd never seen a boat before. they... many

the agenda for others to follow. >> it was remarkable to see >> now, it was remarkable to see ian hogartht chatting with will.i.am in the audience of the of the conversation between between the prime minister and elon musk. but i do wonder that conversation did start looking to the very long term, did start talking about things such as a universal high income , a world where no one has income, a world where no one has to work is this getting a bit too highfalutin for what the prime minister might be better fixed on, which is the issues that matter in the here and now, rather than in 50 or 100 years time . time. >> i think one of the things that nobody will ever say about the prime minister is that he doesn't do the detail on the here and now. he really, really does. a guy who really puts does. he's a guy who really puts the work in today. and i the work in today. and so i think it's amazing skill to think it's an amazing skill to be to put in the work on be able to put in the work on today whatever we need for today on whatever we need for today's economy, for today's health today's healt

course the pe0|together,5 actuclifford and this together, matt clifford and ian is a fantastic ian hogarthchievement. >> okay . right. well, you've >> okay. right. well, you've heard what tom tugendhat had to say. so let's see what our deputy political editor, tom hannood, who's actually been the ai summit over the last two days and survive and relatively sane because i must admit, tom, the bits that i watched, i found entirely surreal. bring us up to speed on what it was actually like. there we had the british prime minister interviewing elon musk , one of the richest men in musk, one of the richest men in the entire world, and about al having an off switch. that's my take that was certainly a big point of the conversation . point of the conversation. >> but if we row back a little bit, this was, of course, back in london after the ai safety summit that occurred for two days in bletchley park. and it did seem that this was a bit of a diplomatic win for the united kingdom in his q&a with the prime minister elon musk said that there are really two centres of ai excellence in the world to pl