. >> hope college in holand, michigan. >> i won't name them in philosophy and my preacher in dutch reformchurch was a scott itch reform presbyterian preacher. but he had carl barton and coming and going, great systematic thinkers in our tradition and he could preach and had me over as college kid and when you were in college you had act altogether. i saw what a christian concern looked like and i said, hey, not only do -- am i thankful for this. i always aim to be a professor based on these three and i had plenty more i -- i had a guy up there, he went to church with me and the economic, the minister to bill clinton, so i'm bipartisan. i'm friends with both sides of the aisle and i had mentors to get the other guy, working on economic development in the third world. woman boss from the philippines in singapore. great people along the lines and helps you grow and so i want to pass it on. that's why i wanted to teach and at tend of the day, congress, hey, i'm done teaching. 20 years of talking, now it's time let's do it, let's put this in action and i gave it a run. >> so what is a typical