the came back and told me that she actually stopped the date holbrooke when he tried to create an interim government in a democratic leadership to ceding the mockers yes just before the election but but i believe she snubbed him and said no that's not the right thing so that there were things that occurred that i respect but then how do you see the relationship with pakistan you've been vocally critical over the gunney the present president says pakistan will be a high price which doesn't respond properly to the change well when see park situation pakistan is a neighbor of ours we have to live together backed by china and the elated by china india that the united states more in the past by the united states. but pakistan as a neighbor. there are two two. strong contrasts they had in our views with regard to parks. when we became refugees after the soviet invasion of afghanistan the pakistani people welcomed us tremendously and believably like brothers and sisters and we lived as if we lived in our own homes in afghanistan and that will continue a very bags making for the v.a. back and yes

the key players in undermining afghan democracy at that because it all they know is clear richard holbrooke those are individual un mission in afghanistan be to go are a few years he was appointed by the united states there robert gates the defense secretary there to know that well he was a decent gentleman but the others you mentioned ambassador i can bury the late. and god great they were the tools of the us administration for this purpose. individually have i don't blame them they were serving their government and any official who would do that once instructed to do to take a certain. policy through the united nations office were used very much but there were also individuals within the united nations for example then of the united nations at the time in afghanistan the result of the security analysts id who was under immense pressure but the street up to him and he took. very much under the middle ground with you know here he is he's retired or he took a middle ground which meant he sided with us. with rightness righteousness i believe that's. probably because i'll just stop you there f

berger she's at the american jewish committee here in berlin and john tesh now you have the richard holbrooke form at the american academy here in berlin to both of you welcome to the day this is an open letter. but you must have had certain people in mind when you wrote it to whom is this letter addressed. we were very concerned a course about the impact of the current us administration on chairman policy we have a new government it was clear that a new government was coming in germany and we very much hope that those who are negotiating a coalition agreement take notice of what we're saying so dressed to the new government the new government is one of the target audiences quite clearly there is a dynamic now you know a negotiation process has just started about forming a new government but of course there are other target audience as well you know there is of course this this group of people that were addressed in the quote that you just used the people that are actively thinking about basically turning their back on the u.s. and this is a tremendously dangerous trend as we think it is and

berger she's at the american jewish committee here in berlin and john to show you heads of richard holbrooke form at the american academy here in berlin to both of you welcome to the day this is an open letter. but you must have had certain people in mind when you wrote it to whom is this letter addressed. we were very concerned a course about the impact of the current us administration on chairman policy we have a new government it was clear that a new government was coming in germany and we very much hope that those who are negotiating a coalition agreement take notice of what we're saying so it's addressed to the new government the new government is one of the target audience is quite clearly there is a dynamic now you know a negotiation process has just started about forming a new government but of course there's other target audience as well you know there is of course this this group of people that were addressed in the quote that you just used the people that are actively thinking about basically turning their back on the u.s. and this is a tremendously dangerous trend as we think it

verger she's at the american jewish committee here in berlin and john to show you heads of richard holbrooke form at the american academy here in berlin to both of you welcome to the day this is an open letter. but you must have had certain people in mind when you wrote to whom is this letter addressed. we were very concerned of course about the impact of the current us administration on chairman policy we have a new government it was clear that a new government was coming in germany and we very much hope that those who are negotiating a coalition agreement take notice of what we're saying so it's addressed to the new government the new government is one of the target audience is quite clearly there is a dynamic now you know a negotiation process has just started about forming a new government but of course there's other target audience as well you know there is of course this this group of people that were addressed in the quote that you just used the people that are actively thinking about basically turning their back on the u.s. and this is a tremendously dangerous trend as we think it is

richard holbrooke rightly said we have to have a place they can be so we can engage them. this is done in coordination with the united states. the reception for them come the security, everything else i think met our standards. the same with one or more of their mosque leaders who are there because the uss them to be. >> that is more the exception than the role. >> yes. it you have to be careful not to undermine the arguments or the points, if you will, by what we said are not accurate. is there is enough i think otherwise. i think the point you made her very reasonable. and i do think for what it is worth, you and i both i think maybe more than others, are the recipients of lots of communication from either side beenis discussion in have able to ferret out for ourselves i think what is fact and what is not so factual. and, look, i think they are quite intent to this point and living by that mo you. i wish the u.s. would declassify. they have told me, very sievers you can get, they believe it should be because of fight and they would like to see the mo you may public. they

. >> you make the point that this was a deliberate strategy by holbrook, you think. >> that's right. at the treasury at the time, they had brought the bank in very early to get that to happen and it helped that there was not only larry summers had been the chief economist of the world bank and make them do things to promote u.s. interests. when it came time to plan reconstruction, the bush treasury was there and they were doing this kind of contact in the current treasury that we couldn't gbut wecouldn't go to k until after so we have to d hade invasion first and then reconstruction. this is the kind of relationship in the treasury and the world bank that enabled the united states to use the institutions for the tools of american foreign policy. it doesn't happen unless you know how to do it. in the book makes a point of the world bank has the two big businesses one is lending to countries that basically can borrow on their own. brazil, india and china. they make money on that which they used to finance their operations into the other is the loans to the very poor countries, the so-c

richard holbrooke rightly said we have to have a place they can be so we can engage them. this is done in coordination with the united states. the reception for them come the security, everything else i think met our standards. the same with one or more of their mosque leaders who are there because the u.s. asked them to be. >> that is more the exception than the rule. >> >> yes. it you have to be careful not to undermine the arguments or the points, if you will, by what we said are not accurate. i think the point you made is very reasonable. and i do think for what it is worth, you and i both i think maybe more than others, are the recipients of lots of communication from either side in this discussion in have been able to ferret out for ourselves i think what is fact and what is not so factual. and, look, i think they are quite intent to this point and living by that mou. i wish the u.s. would declassify. they have told me they believe it should be declassified. -- allowful that we that to take place and let everyone see it. i think there's a reasonable probably all of t

richard holbrooke i think rightly said we've got to have a place where they can be so that we can engage them. this is all done in coordination with the united states, the reception for them, the security and everything else i think met all of our standards. and the same with one or more of the hamas leaders who, again, are there because israel and the u.s. asked them to be there. it's not say all the others and all the rest of this -- >> that's more the exception than the rule, i would say. >> yeah, but you've got to be careful not to undermine the arguments or the points, if you will, by those that are not accurate, because there's enough, i think, otherwise. i think the points you made are very reasonable. and i do think, for what it's worth, having -- you and i both maybe more than others are the recipients of lots of communication from either side in this discussion and have been able to ferret out for ourselves, i think, what is fact and what is not quite so factual. and, look, i think they are quite intent to this point in living by that mou, and i wish the united states would dec