. >> richard nixon told holdeman to lie to the senate select committee. guess what? holdeman said, gee, i can't remember. >> i don't know that i don't know anything about it, i don't know that i did, mr. chairman. >> you never knew what would be said. you never ka now who would be speaking. >> how do you know that? >> because i can understand the english language. >> the chairman was sam irvin. a southerner from north carolina. >> i'm just a country lawyer from way down in north carolina. >> he's a country lawyer like i'm an astronaut. >> i don't believe there's anything in the constitution that says the powers of the presidency should be separated from the truth. >> when the details came out and people saw that this was almost like some kind of mafia story -- >> what was the altercation, if you could be a little more specific? >> well, i simply put my hand on mr. liddy's shoulder, and he asked me to remove it. >> can you be more specific? >> he indicated he'd kill me. >> it's the country's favorite soap opera. it's confusing. >> mccord was a pretty good