but holderman never tells anybody. there is another conversation with me i don't get into it until eight months later, that he runs by me and i don't know what he is talking about. it goes right by me and i continue because i realize i don't everything. >> june 23ered, 1972 talk about the day >> that is the day that became famous for the so-called smoking gun tapes. what is interesting about the smoking gun tapes is they are firing blanks really. and i say that because what happened is so much time had passed, that nixon couldn't figure out what it was really all about. and hollowman was -- no one was asking me at this point. so they take the tapes at face value and read them out of context when they finally surface and they surface at the end of his presidency when he set-up had defense saying i knew nothing about watergate until march 21s, 1973 and this is june of 1972 and the are conversations he is trying to get the fbi to kill the entire investigation. that is not what he is talking about. he is talking about the