after nixon has announced holderman's resignation. and it's very painful to him that nixon starts drinking. by the time he talks to holderman he already has put back a few whiskeys. and so you can hear that in his voice. he talks about holderman as, you're going to hear, my brother. i think this is a reference to nixon's own brother. one of his brothers who died from tuberculosis when nixon was a young man. and so he's forced to part company with holderman he's thinking about this tragedy that happened to him when he was a young man with actually two of his brothers died of tuberculosis. one particular he was very close. so i am just going to share the screen again and then we can talk on the other side of this last little recording of going to play for you. >> camp tapered april 28, president nixon. >> i'm sorry that's the wrong one, just before that. >> sitting room april 30 covid 1973, president nixon and bob holderman. >> hello? [inaudible] [inaudible] right where we want to be. [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] the only thing i

is hr holderman, this is on tape now. these are unauthorized disclosures that the president taped president taped everybody as you know, and tapes got out that. so just the day after the pending papers came out. hr holderman was saying to the president and the wife in the oval office now on tape and a lot of this stuff has never come out this particular one came out in april of this last year. was that almost 30 years later? 31 years later about the pentagon papers stan was saying this morning to the ordinary guy. all this is a bunch of gobbledy cook. but out of the gobbledy comes a very clear thing. you can't trust the government. can't believe what they say. and you can't rely on their judgment. and the implicit infallibility of presidents which has been an accepted thing in america. it's badly hurt by this because it shows that people do things. the president wants to do. know it's wrong. and the president can be wrong. that was the message. i wanted to get out the don he was quoting. was donald rumsfeld? who was worki