one of them is holli bautista. what did you hear? when did you realize something was going wrong?> originally i had heard a couple things that i thought sounded like firecrackers. as soon as i realized what was going on there with people running and screaming, "someb y "somebody's shooting," i was in the food court area, the insistent was to run to an exit. but you could still hear gunshots multiple in a pretty chaotic scene. >> how close were you to the food court? my understanding according to one other eyewitness who was in the macy's, she actually say or says she saw the alleged shooter running through or jogging through the macy's with his weapon visible and it was only after he left the macy's into i guess the food court area that he actually opened fire. so how far away from the food court were you? >> i was within feet. you know, i could visually see it. i really wasn't paying attention, i guess, to see somebody running through with a weapon. i was shopping for a dress for my daughter. so you know, i didn't witness that although when i did turn around to hear gunshots, i d