>> that would be holliman coming from nixon. because nixon clearly does not like how effective o'brien is as a democratic spokesman. and he thinks there is a tie between o'brien, which there was, a tie between o'brien and kennedy, and nixon is still, you know, up to the last minute very distressed and concerned about having to run against teddy kennedy. >> who would be the desk officer in holliman's operation for this kind of work? >> it was spread around. higby was sort of the super junior staffer. after that it would be stron and kurli would move around. holliman -- they were more just shepherding. holliman had morning meetings in his office every morning. the senior staff. ray price, myself, fred malleck bill timmins, i think used to come into that some others. these things would be shepherded around.qjihp& i can't recall ever, you know, anything of an illicit nature coming up in any of those meetings. >> i was just going to say you would think that would be closely held. >> it was. erlichman was the one who was principally g