i'll start with holly hughes. they're honing in, zeroing in on the lies.om casey anthony but also from her mother and her father and her brother and because i would think, as an observer, there is not a smoking gun here so to speak. so they'll hone in on the lies and the distortions. >> right. this trial reminds me of the coffee. chock full of nuts. every single person who has gotten on the stand has lied about one thing or another. so both sides, the state and the defense to have address this issue. you can't hide from it. so what jeff ashton, the prosecutor is saying, she's crazy like a fox. there is a method to her madness. in fact, he went on to say in that little clip, every time she gets caught in a lie and it's not working, she change it up. he calls it casey 3.0. this is the latest version of the story. while the defense wants to say, oh, she's so crazy she's cuckoo for cocoa puffs, jeff ashton is saying, no, no no. there is a method. it is deliberate. it is intentional. and just because you come from a dysfunctional family, it does not turn you in

holly hughes has impressions on casey anthony's mannerisms in court. very interesting. stay with us. we will continue after the break. >>> well, if you're just tuning in, the casey anthony sentencing is out. and as it stands, she will be free late july, possibly early august. she will not walk free today, as many people were asking. the decision was made just moments ago live in this orlando courtroom. casey anthony no longer in court. they have gone into a recess. judge belvin perry coming forward and saying she will serve time for the four counts of lying to authorities. she's already been in prison for three years which means it will be knocked down to one year, looks like even less than that. we'll continue to talk about this with our legal panel coming up. first, we want to bring you up to date on other top stories happening just before the top of the hour. >>> attorney for dominique strauss-khan says the former imf chief will not accept a plea bargain and won't plead guilty. prosecutors and attorneys met yesterday to discuss the sexual assault case. >>> the feds o

sean lavin in orlando, holly hughes in studio with me, always good to have you as well.ou so much. >>> we'll turn now at five minutes past the hour, new video of dominique strauss-kahn, the former head of the international monetary fund. this is him smiling as he heads out for a night on the town with his wife. this scene came last night just hours after a judge released him from house arrest. he's accused of sexually assaulting a hotel maid, but the judge in this strauss-kahn house arrest after prosecutors detailed problems with his accuser's story. >>> inconsistencies with that story are now complicating this case. here is how "in session" contributor sunny hostin described the prosecution's concerns. >> the problem here is that the prosecution would have to put her on the witness stand to prove its case, and if you read the letter that they did send to the defense team, it is clear that she has made so many errors in judgment, in terms of the stories that she has told, that it would be very, very difficult to put her on the witness stand and she would not be able to w

. >>> criminal defense attorney holly hughes is here with me. she's also a form prosecutor.nd cnn's david mattingly joins us from orlando. david a little bit of a dust-up in the courtroom between the prosecutor jeff ashton and defense lawyer jose baez. what happened? the judge didn't like it. >> while jose baez was reaching a critical point in his closing arguments in front of the jury, he looked over and saw jeff ashton, the prosecutor, smiling. and he made a note of that. he called him laughing guy. that, of course, brought everything immediately to a halt. the judge called them both up and later came back and said you know my rules. this is against the rules. if this happens again, if either of you does anything like this again, i'm throwing you out. it was a stern warning. very late in this trial. but it just shows you how emotional things have got and how sensitive everybody is inside that courtroom. >> david, stand by. i have another question for you. i want to bring in holly. holly, it was unusual for a judge to do that, and he meant business. >> in fact, what he's to

we have holly hughes on the set with me in atlanta. in orlando, jane velez-mitchell, and drew petrimoulx and jim clemente, and we'll tell you all the information you need to know before the court battle begins tonight. >>> also tonight, fellow soldiers honor one of their own. he was lost in combat, in afghanistan. he was serving as an openly gay soldier. his parents are honoring his memory by fighting for same-sex marriage in minnesota. watch this. >> when you enter the military, you have to take an oath to protect and defend the constitution, and it protects the country against foreign and domestic enemies. the enemy here is intolerance, misinformation, bigotry, probably greed. so as a soldier, that is what he was fighting for. >> i'll talk to them. >>> and a lawmaker in the state who wants to outlaw gay marriage. plus -- >> ha, ha, ha. >> the rochester, new york, woman who was arrested for videotaping police in her own yard gets the last laugh. but now she fears she's being targeted by the cops. those stories and much, much more. but

they said, "holly hughes is a lesbian, and her work is very heavily of that genre." and, you know, i can't really disagree with that. i mean, i am a lesbian. my work is about that. i just didn't realize it was a genre, and maybe i want my own category of funding, like landscape painting or macrame plant hangers or something like that. but it was really about targeted homophobia, and--although, as i say that, i feel like, "i hope jesse helms would not like my work." then i'd really have to commit suicide. it is controversial, and it is provocative, and i think that should have a place in a country that pretends to be a democracy. even at the time of the controversy, homoerotic work was among the work banned, right? that language was used? yes. in '89, i believe, there was a statute passed that said the n.e.a. couldn't fund work that could be considered obscene, and they gave you, like, a checklist in case you didn't know what that meant, and homoeroticism was on the checklist. so they went after artists in this medium that were openly gay. when you put together this b

criminal defense attorney and form are prosecutor holly hughes had a lot to say about this case when i spoke with her about it just a short time ago. >> i don't mind an officer using profanity, don. i don't mind his temper is flaring. but when he starts threatening to kill citizens to shoot them in the face, to put them in their grave, calling them morons and idiots and liars he's gone over the edge. now we will see an officer who cannot control his temper. that's a crime, don. if a citizen said to another citizen, i will shoot you in the face and is holding a weapon, has access to a weapon, that is a felony charge. so this officer has gone beyond the pale when he starts threatening. >> if you were defending this officer. >> yes. >> what would you do? >> if i were defending him, the first thing i would say is, they lied to him right up front. there was a gun in the back of that car. the driver admits hey, i just got out of jail or prison three weeks ago. and the officer says what for? guns and drugs. so naturally, the officer is on high alert. his adrenaline is pumping. it's a rush.

former prosecutor holly hughes is back with us.and her family could make millions of dollars off this, a book deal, a movie deal. are there any restrictions on them with regard to selling the story? >> no, there are not. especially since she was acquitted and found not guilty on these charges. it is free speech, free enterprise and commerce. there is nothing that prohibits her from making money. she doesn't have a lot of skills. she didn't hold down a job prior to being incarcerated. what is she good at? telling stories. she's famous for lying. she's convicted of lying. >> what if she gets the book or movie deal and all of a sudden says i did it? doesn't matter? she still walks free? >> it's a done deal. the prosecution is over. there's one bite at the apple. it didn't happen. there's no conviction. she cannot be retried on anything having to do with the crime. >> think of o.j. simpson "if i did kill her, this is how i would have done it." >> exactly. she could stand on the courthouse steps and say i beat her and strangled her. it

and holly hughes joins us again.ly early tomorrow, we will know her fate? >> i think we will. it's a serious, and very mature jury. they have been taking notes and paying close attention. we are hearing our reporters who are in the courtroom, david mattingly piped in and said they don't make expressions or talk to each other, and they are focusing in on the evidence and watching what is going on. these folks have been away from their family and tv. they have more restrictions than the defendant, casey anthony, and she's in jail. she is watch tv and listen to the radio. >> you have been watching the testimony and watching the lawyers at work. what do you think is going to happen here? maybe i don't want to put you on the spot there totally, but the options, most likely where do you think it will go? >> based on the closing arguments, which is the grand finale of any trial. we say a trial is a search for the truth, but it's also kind of a show. we're watching to see what the players are going to give us, and when they

we have a lot coming up in the next hour, and i have guests with me, including holly hughes, a criminal defense attorney. we will walk through what happens next to casey anthony. we look at the pictures here of a massive crowd outside of this orlando courthouse. as reaction is beginning to pour in, we heard from members of the defense team a short time ago saying there are no winners here, saying this is disgusting with media assassination and how casey anthony has been regarded here for years here, and i want to bring in holly hughes as we go back to and reset for the people that just are joining us. the mixed opinions here. but 11 hours, and that's pretty quick. >> yes. it is. >> pretty quick. >> it shocked all of us. every single person that i heard speculating is it has to be a guilty verdict of some sort. i certainly thought they were going to go top charge, murder in the first degree. but it's a lesson well taught that this is an adversarial system, and that's the whole point of having a prosecution team and defense team. the prosecutors would never bring forth a case they don't b

you don't have to infer that she's a murderer. >> holly hughes.w where casey is now her parents' attorney believe casey has of left orlando. >> what in the world! i'm sorry. i was standing in my front yard concerned about what was going on in my neighborhood and you're arresting me! what the hell is going on right now! >> tonight, we go in depth about a story -- the story behind this video. when rochester, new york, police put the cuffs on emily good they set off a national debate. monitoring police versus public safety. good was arrested after she recorded police making a traffic stop. stefs standing in her front yard when officer mario masic opted to arrest good instead of the man initially pulled over. >> okay, listen. i'm not going to explain myself. you are going to jail. i'm trying to give you a warning. okay? >> i'm going to back up. >> you know what? you're going to go to jail. this is not right. >> no, no. stay right here. >> i'm sorry. >> her charge was later dropped. police say citizens now feel bolder to intervene which puts everyone a

holly hughes is here, she's a former prosecutor and a criminal defense attorney as well., listen, as i said, that was a great question by joy. you think she would dance around it better, did she make up her answer? >> she had to know it was coming, and yet, she's like a deer in the headlights. >> see, that's not an obvious question, that is a question -- i think that that question joy behar, and that comes from -- that's like someone who will ask a political question who's outside of the belt way, where journalists think to ask questions in a certain way, would you let her baby sit your kid, that's a simple motherhood question, it's not a journalist question. >> people have got to be asking her that, she spent all this time with her. remember, she was the one who was mothering casey throughout the trial, she didn't do a whole lot of lawyering, but she was mothering her, she was holding her hand and petting her hair and really treating her like a daughter. you should have an answer prepared for that because everybody wants to know. >> what does that say as an attorney, did

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holly hughes, you gasped at the verdict. >> i am stunned.as wrong about baez, i don't know that we were wrong about bye-baez, and maybe jury felt sorry because of the defense. who knows? yet, we all got it wrong. debra is right, this system works. it's the best system in the world. it's what we have. >> debra, let me ask you -- you said that basically, you know, that it wasn't there. what in your opinion made you believe that there was no way a jury was going to find her guilty of this murder when circumstancely it seemed like such a strong case? >> i see the headlines and want to steal what i am going to say right now. this became the leap of faith case for both sides. it was the leap of faith case for the prosecution to basically say go in that middle area and i'll help you complete the picture. it was the defense saying with mr. mason, i believe, it was brilliant with the charts. the leap of faith saying you cannot have that leap of faith of guilt because of the reasonable doubt. the reasonable doubt cannot get you on that leap of faith c

holly hughes, thank you very much. this in -- this came in from the canton police department. here's what they say, the statement from the canton police department says, "the officer was relieved of duty and has not worked since the incident. it is being fully investigated." again, that's -- >> he's being paid -- on paid administrative leave. when you have two videos like this, don, what more evidence do you need? seriously? this is a big problem, and it's going to come back to bite them if they don't dismiss him altogether. >> thank you. >>> this is some of the tornado devastation from joplin, missouri, justi two months ago. next we'll talk with one of the first people on the scene who reported for us, a local resident, bethany scoody, right after the break. >>> first, choosing a college, it is a big decision, and to help make it many families turn to "u.s. news and world report," their annual rankings of the best schools. our education contributor, steve perry, looks at how the rankings are created and whether they'r

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holly hughes, so good to have you. you've been great. i know we'll probably talk to you tomorrow as well with the closing arguments tomorrow. holly, thank you, as always. >>> well, 12 minutes past the hour now. a 71-year-old seattle grandfather has been arrested for a child murder more than 50 years ago. police say jack daniel mccullough was living under an assumed name in a retirement community. he's accused of kidnapping and killing a 7-year-old girl if sycamore, illinois, back in 1957. he was a suspect early on, but police say he changed his name, joined the military, and the case went cold. new information that surfaced about two years ago led to the arrest. >>> and on this fourth of july weekend, a lot of folks in minnesota are in no mood to celebrate. their holiday plans ruined by budget problems. not just a budget problem, but a government shutdown. they have a new fiscal year underway, minnesota's government shut down, except for central services. but still, all the state parks, zoo, rest areas all closed. forced a lot of people

we are joined by two legal experts, defense attorney and fornler prosecutor holly hughes, she's here with me in atlanta, and criminal defense attorney richard herman joins us from las vegas. so, what happened today? richard, i'll start with you. is it what you expected? >> it pretty much -- kind of what i expected. i'm sure the judge is taking vengeance out on her right now. i think what we left out of that clip is now we'll speak to bureau of prisons to calculate her time. since i was so stellar in my prediction of the outcome of the verdict, and i'm in las vegas, i'm going to double down and say this -- i think she's going to be released today when they get those results in. when you are arrested for seven crimes and you go to prison, you begin to get credit for each day you're in prison. she's getting credit now for 900 days if prison. those misdemeanor counts are one-year maximum sentences. she's already maxed out on all four of those. it's irrelevant today that the judge stacked the sentence. i really believe, when bureau of prisons gets together with them today, she is going to

let's go to holly hughes with me for some analysis. let's use what david was talking about as a jumping off point. there are all these potential charges. explain how the jury weighs each of these options as they're deliberating? >> that's why the jury charge is so important. in the law, each crime has elements. and the prosecution having the burden of proof, has to prove each and every element in order to establish to the jury, yes, this person committed the crime, so when you're looking at first degree murder, they're going to have to prove that premeditation element. that's why the judge said, there has to be some premeditation here. >> there has to be the intent to kill here. >> that's why he defines everything. premeditation doesn't have to be a long period of time. it could be formed in an instant. it could be instantly regretted. there has to be enough time for the person to think on it. the important point is,each one of these lesser included crimes, david was talking about, it's a possible manslaughter could be a second degree

i want to turn to holly hughes, an attorney who has been with us through almost all of the casey anthony trial. what is it like for you seeing that video knowing this is it as far as justice for caylee. the case of caylee is closed. unlike the o.j. case, the not guilty verdict, but then the civil suit came. this case is done. >> it's done, over with. it's a sad ending. what we had was a gorgeous 2 1/2 little girl. let's not forget that, t.j., she was the focus, she should still be the focus. the only thing i can say about this entire tragedy is we are see something good legislation proposed coming out of this. we are hearing about caylee's law which is if you do not report your child missing, which is what stunned us all, t.j., let's face it, that's why we were all so perplexed by this behavior. how do you lose a 2 1/2-year-old child and not report it? even if you believe the accidental drowning, how are you not grieving, how are you not crying? we're seeing propositions for new legislation. that's the only way i can kind of live with that. i think it was a miscarriage. at the end of the

our defense attorney and former prosecutor holly hughes is back with us. y, i understand you have been waiting, they deliberated for some ten hours or so, they took a break, they will be back shortly. >> absolutely. they are closing in on that ten hour mark which means they're just going through it one step at a time. this is a really interesting jury panel we've got here. >> who has caught your attention? >> i tell you, number one, she is usually the first one out of the back into the jury box so this woman is not afraid to be a leader. she was a nurse. she told us in voir dire that she had actually smelled dead bodies before, so she is going to be able when the jurors are in the back talking about that, to say hey, you know what, my experience is that it's very unique or eh, maybe not so much. her life experience is going to play into explaining to the other jurors about that. then we have juror number four, everybody's been talking about this lady. she's an african-american older lady who said hey, you know what, based on my religious views, i find it ha

i want to bring in our legal expert holly hughes who has been following this. we understand that the defense tour just made a motion the dispolice this and then the judge denied it. that is pretty typical, right? >> it is standard. anytime there's a problem with something the attorneys disagrees about, thing it's prejudice dishal, they're going to say to the judge, mistry this case. you have to stop it all. let's go start over. obviously, judge belvin perry is not going to allow that to happen. the judge is sitting on the bench in front of you. that judge, he or she is going to decide and them alone. >> what did you hear today that really struck you? >> wow. okay, we went right back to the beginning, suzanne, in the very beginning of this case eight weeks ago. the prosecutor, linda drane-burdick stood up and said this is not about casey anthony. now is the time to tell the story of caylee anthony. what she did very effectively after prosecutor jeff ashton got up, talked about the forensic, the science, said to the jury, we know it's confusing. but linda drane-b

i want to bring in holly hughes who's been following this.anticipate in next 15 minutes? >> what we're going to see is both sides of attorneys getting ready. prosecution is getting ready to examine witnesses for the rebut l case and they're going to cut to the heart of the matter. we had two really big issues in this case and they both go to first degree murder. number one, the defense put on dr. warner, a forensic pathologist and he said dr. g. should have opened up that skull. i found brain matter inside. prosecution is prepared to put on their forensic an throw poll gist who conducted a washing of that baby's skull and said when i did the rinse, there wasn't brain matter in there. that refutes what defense said and the second really big thing is that cindy anthony took the stand in the defense case and said all the searches for chloroform were done by her. that's significant because the prosecution says this is first degree murder because casey premedicated it. planned ahead for months ahead of time, she conducted 84 computer searches for

let me bring in holly hughes. misdemeanor counts, four misdemeanor counts. the max. the judge going with the max. what was he saying to us? >> what he's saying is the lies that you told cost this county probably hundreds of thousands of dollars, man hour powers, and let's face it, t.j., they could have been out looking for other missing children, and that's what he's upset about. typically when we see a charge of lying to law enforcement officer, it's because some guy gets over for smoking or for speeding. he knows he got an old warrant for smoking speed and he pops and lies and gives his power's name. that's typically false information, right? >> yeah. >> that's what we get all the time, a misdemeanor, a little probation, be on your way. don't use your brother's name. this lie and these series of lies caused the orange county investigators, the fbi, there were tons of law enforcement agencies involved in this, and there was a missing child, so we thought. >> yeah. >> then her attorney gets up in opening and said she was never missing, just kidding, which is

i'll bring in holly hughes a criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor. this to o.j. simpson. maybe in interest. o.j. simpson lasted for like a year. you had the jurors going on the bus and visiting, tv shows created around it. it was the same in surprise but not in, i think, spectacle. why were people so surprised? do you think they proved their case beyond a reasonable doubt? >> i do. i stick by what i said. i think they proved it beyond a reasonable doubt. it was a first degree murder case. the outside public had so much more information than the jurors did. >> they had more emotion than the jury had and i think a lot of people watched it so much they became emotionally attached. maybe the jury wasn't that emotional. seeing little caylee singing that much. >> the jury didn't under two major concepts. they misunderstood reasonable doubt and circumstantial evidence and how great it is and the fact that 90% of the cases we bring in american courtrooms are circumstantial evidence. >> i'm glad you said that. i'm is going to go up to o.j. simpson, the prosec