holly hughes is here.is a tradition in mississippi to have trusted inmates, convicted murders, you get to work at the governor's mansion and in return, many receive a pardon. are they usually people convicted murderers or who are accused and convicted of crimes like these? >> believe it or not, yes. southern tradition we find in a lot of the lower southern states, kentucky, georgia, mississippi, alabama, most of the folks who are given the privilege of working at the governor's mansion are murderers. let me back up. all i'm hearing as far as justification is, it's a tradition. let's point out, don, that this country has had some traditions that were indecent, immoral. let's say it, slavery used to be a tradition, okay? denying women the right to vote was a tradition. so this sad, pathetic justification of, it's okay, we've always done it, i'm not buying it. >> he gave his explanation. he said i let these people play with my grandkids, what have you. everyone is shaking their head going, what? haley barbour