most of it at the holman correctional facility in alabama and sometimes it seems to have been just asong since he's heard the sound of his real name. >> they call me red top. >> hey, redtop. >> they call me redtop. they call me ringating red. >> is there one you prefer? >> none. i just answer to them all. i've learned to answer to them all over the years. >> stall began serving his sentence 28 years earlier, when he was 22 years old. >> back when i first came here there was a lot of violence. >> was it scary? were you scared a lot? >> scared to death. >> my first impression of lawrence stall was that he doesn't fit. he didn't fit in those surroundings. i think that's initially what brought us to him. he looked a little meek. the red hair. the glasses. he looked more like a college professor, versus an inmate. >> the social system in here is totally different. it's nothing like the free world. it's a totally different world, you know? i mean, it's like moving to japan and not knowing japanese, you know? you know, you're lost. and that's how i'd be now if i got out. i'd be lost. >> due

well, we asked the director, tom holman tonight about the difference in operating in a jurisdiction thatice detainers and works with federal law enforcement when it comes to immigration policy and what it's like to try to operate in a community that does not work with ice. here's what what that risk puts to law enforcement and the public. >> when they get released without our attention, they're back in the streets. so, now we got to go find the individual many times we don't know where they are and the recidivism rate is between 30 and 40 percent. they're going to commit a crime in many cases and now we got to send a team out to look for these people in a less secure environment out in the public. >> reporter: you know, the rub here, though, is that while this debate has raged over illegal immigration in this country, you talk to the experts, the people who are on the front lines of trying to enforce the laws, they will tell you many of the victims of these illegal street gangs are immigrant populations themselves. some of the groups that they run into are the most of the arrests in this

i'll finish up by saying i had the opportunity to work with tom holman who is the acting director of ice. he is a career ice guy. he's a straight shooter. i'm a great deal of respect for him. i think he will try -- he understands that there is nothing of value that comes out of those kind of press releases. we've honored a number of detainers ice notified and i didn't show up in years past, dozens of times they didn't show up. should we be releasing these press releases that say we held some guy and they didn't show up so we had to release them? there is no value in that. were heading down the wrong path with his name in same strategy. i hope that goes way. i'll finish up by saying that director holman has assured me, and i believe him, but they understand their sensitive location, hospitals, schools, churches, courthouses that they are not doing random seats. they will not target people at those locations. however, in courthouses, he said , if we had an individual that we are looking for and we have no other way of finding him and we know they will be in court, yes, we will be at th

tim holman, bbc news. in a moment we will have the national bulletin with reeta chakrabarti.hampagne or italian prosecco, the uk's love of fizz shows no sign of slowing down. but the technique for making it was first documented not by a frenchman or an italian — but by a 17th century scientist in england. nick higham has more. some call it "brit fizz," or simply bubbly. its proper name is ‘english sparkling wine', and it is just like champagne. the french will tell you the method was discovered by a frenchman. a monk called dom perignon in 1967. but here in winchcombe, they know better. on monday, they will put up a plack on his birthplace to a local, christopher merritt, a pioneering scientist who recorded english scientists using the technique in 1662, more than 30 years before dom. he described the way that they were adding sugar and molasses to the wine, which was making it "sparkling." he was the first person to actually use that word, "sparkling," in connection to wine, wasn't he? yes. at this gloucestershire winery, they use the technique. they make sparkling wine for

that holman worked into it. but there's more to it than that. statistics show interesting things. six orio of incomes -- seven to one. that's big in a society that claims to be egalitarian. the other major difference was agriculture. soctive the farms in the rushed soviet union, state and comes the -- state farm's, where about 60% of the main industrial workers. the collective farms it was about half of that. in the collective farm income, it was about one quarter the cub of somebody at the industry. the idea that this was an egalitarian society -- if you the top -- this example comes from a soviet economy -- economist whose name i can't read. he divided soviets into three categories, top 2% rich, next income, 487% -- poor 87%. that's egalitarianism in the soviet union. >> speaking about the goods that -- thinking about little gods like korea, some other things -- like che guevara -- would be heroes like venezuela -- in the i see new because the salt -- stallman and angles -- they said, we don't want total equality. people who are marching will receive more -- one exempt the class

. >>> greg holman the man revered as the pioneer of southern rock has died. he and his brother founding the legend dare almond brothers band. gregg released six solo albums. he died from complications of liver cancer at his home in savannah, georgia. >>> today marks 23 years since a bay area girl was murdered inside of her home. now police are using advanced 3d technology to try to solve the case. en this day in 1994, jenny lynn was stabbed to death inside of her home after -- lin was stabbed to death inside of her home. her killer was never found. the alameda county sheriff just released virtual 3d recreation of the neighborhood where she lived. the hope is to generate new leads. >> it will show the caster valley and the streets for above and you can take a look at what it looked like in 1994, and we hope that you might remember seeing a car in a specific area or jogging your memory, and as an individual, it's pretty much the same as 23 years ago. . >> our grief and our sadness will never end. >> on top of the 3d recreation, they are working with the alameda

now i'll finish up by saying that i've had the opportunity to work with tom holman, who was the acting director of i.c.e. he is a career i.c.e. guy. he's a straight shooter and i have a great deal of respect for him. he understands that there's nothing of value that comes out of those kinds of press releases. i -- we've honored a number of detainers for ice, notified someone was being released and i.c.e. didn't show up in the past, dozens of times, should we be releasing praes releases saying i.c.e. didn't show up and so we had to release them. so i hit the that the nanl and shame strategy is no good and i hope it goes away. i'll finish up by saying that director holman has assured me -- and i believe him, that they understand their sensitive locations, hospitals, schools, churches, courthouses that they are not doing random sweeps, they will not target people at those locations. however, in courthouses he has said that if we have an individual who we're looking for and we have no other way of finding them but we know they're going to court, yes, we will go to the courthouse and wait f

let's bring in north dakota john holman.hank you for joining us today. >> elizabeth, good to be with you. happy mother's day. >> thank you. >> let's talk, let's get straight to the justices last question. she talks specifically about whether there is an existence of a tape recording from the oval office. now, the senate intelligence committee doesn't necessarily need to prove that those exist in order to subpoena them. do you think they should be subpoenaed #mac the senate intelligence committee is doing a full investigation. that's a question they can ask and delve into. if there are tapes they will be able to find that out. i personally don't think there are. that's certainly something will find out the two i saw your reaction initially. you said just like you did now that the senate intelligence committee will need to continue their investigation and we seen the shakeup at the fbi, we've seen the shakeup in the house intelligence committee. is the senate at least compromised and what responsibility does that mean for your

it's sort of the worldwide issue -- >> that may -- >> a spectacular piece that holman jenkins wrote todaystreet journal" -- >> have you met brett stevens -- >> i haven't met him. >> have you seen this? >> and it's worth reading -- >> you're losing subscribers because you hire guys that -- >> but -- >> you're losing subscribers. why did you hire him? >> because you want to have all sides of the story. >> you don't need flakes that deny science. >> you want all sides of the story -- >> did he believe in evolution, for god sakes? >> very complicated issue, and people need to be out there to discuss it on all sides. >> i love brett stevens, i'd say he's almost worked his way over to being "new york times." >> oh -- >> he has. >> well he didn't like trump. >> oh, my gosh. anyway coming up the palestinian authority, president mahmoud abbas will meet with president trump today for the first time discussing a path forward in the long-running palestinian/israeli conflict as well as other issues in the middle east. former senate majority leader special envoy for the middle east peace under presiden