know we're never going to have a 3 dimensional dementia ality well i shouldn't say that maybe with holmgren's we will but you know it's not going to replace it but there's times and i think this is something that leadership is realizing right now that good enough is good enough so you know and then sending somebody across the world on an airplane or across the city to have a meeting meeting like this is good enough. and i think that that's what we're going to learn coming out of this is that there's a time to use technology and that we can improve productivity by relying on technology and there's times that we we do want to face to face and we have to find that that you know that cooperation that that that point in between where it works best and by the way it's going to work different for every company every team every individual so you know it's a matter of what works for me so should companies right now be investing in virtual reality software now instead of offices downtown. i don't think it's there yet i think we're getting close i think that that will become a norm it's already being us

mike holmgren is supporting joe biden's candidacy and blames president trump for wisconsin's spike. >o be this bad. had the president acted earlier and done some things earlier b but he didn't and now here we are. >> reporter: in new york, in the meantime, officials are desperately trying to head off several new clusters of coronavirus. in those clusters combined, many of them in new york city, officials say the positive iterate is five times that of the rest of the state. so in so-called red zones, nonessential businesses will be closed. mask gatherings prohibited. and in places of worship, only ten people will be allowed inside at a time. people in an orthodoxed jewish community in brooklyn protested this. the mayor defended the crack joun. >> down. >> we need to stop this in its track for the all of good of new york city. >> reporter: president trump is lashing out to the food and drug administration after they issued new guidance saying no company that is developing a coronavirus vaccine can seek emergency use authorization to distribute their vaccine until at least two months hav