chicago with finley trying to get vida blue, and that fell apart, and we were trying to unload ken holtzmanlus. can't remember his name. what was that right-hander he had? >> alexander. >> that's right. so, anyway, we kicked around a lot of names, but i will say one thing, he it was the on the deal from the very beginning. you were, rick. and we never varied from that 37 we wanted to get a catcher, and you were the guy, but different times, well, we had ron guidrry in the deal, craig nettles was in the deal. so many names going back and forth, but i thought we came out of it very, very well. we were happy with our end of it. >> back in those guy days, our organization, the orioles, was really noted as having one of the best minor league systems in all of baseball. now, is it true when you're dialing a as general manager that you have a lot of power in people who want to deal with you when you have such a strong minor league system, when the orioles seem to have struggled lately putting a strong minor league system together, bit it give i yes, sir an advantage. >> well, it certainly does, an