we met mediums who live on the northeastern tip of japan, of honshu, who talk to the dead. so in the summer they sort of set up their little poots, and you can go -- booths, and you can go and ask them to talk to your dead whoever and, you know, receive messages back. but we were there in the winter, so we saw them wherever they were living and had some great experiences with them. so, and i've been, oh, you know, i've climbed -- [inaudible] and just, you know, wandered around. [laughter] yes, leslie? >> [inaudible] >> again? >> if what happened there occurred here in the united states, how do you think the reaction would differ? [laughter] >> that's a really loaded question. i don't think i want to go there. i don't know. you know, i think it would really vary, but i'm, all i can say is that i hope that we can learn from these other examples of how to -- i've had a really interesting talk with -- [inaudible] wilson last summer because i've been working on climate change and sort of this sense that we're at the brink of extinction anyway. and he said, look, there is still h