you got to have a little hootspa. this is a legitimate debate to have. all i'm saying is, though, that the public option, whether we have it or we don't have it, is not the entirety of health care reform. this is just one sliver of it, one aspect of it. by the way, it's both the right and the left that have become so fixated on this that they forget everything else, like the fact that we can help nathan make sure that he doesn't suddenly find himself completely broke in trying to treat his son. so we are working on a series of proposals to address the questions that you're raising. i believe that we can work them out, but those are specific questions as opposed to a broad philosophical question about whether government ever has a role to play or not. keep in mind, finally and this is the last point i'll make -- that you have a bunch of countries that have systems in which government is involved, but you still have a thriving private insurance market. the netherlands being a good example. everybody is covered, everybody has care. the government has regula